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Berliner
03-05-2013, 09:09 PM
That was the Headline in Saturdays Car Section at the Az Republic. Here is the article


http://www.cars.com/fiat/500/2013/expert-reviews/

2Cool
03-05-2013, 09:28 PM
The writer sounds like a Mini loving little twit, overall. He blows off the fact that it is selling better than many other cars in class, dismissing it as a "flash in the pan". Short sighted, egotistical little dweeb who likely spent a lot of time inside his school locker as a child.

stubtail
03-05-2013, 10:14 PM
the guy(dweeb) is just a very poor writer not even considering his opinion
:dunce:

500ways
03-05-2013, 10:32 PM
The writer sounds like a Mini loving little twit, overall. He blows off the fact that it is selling better than many other cars in class, dismissing it as a "flash in the pan". Short sighted, egotistical little dweeb who likely spent a lot of time inside his school locker as a child.

Couldn't have said this better myself.

Or as Colonel Jessup would have said: He can't handle the truth!

Andree
03-05-2013, 11:21 PM
The writer sounds like a Mini loving little twit, overall. He blows off the fact that it is selling better than many other cars in class, dismissing it as a "flash in the pan". Short sighted, egotistical little dweeb who likely spent a lot of time inside his school locker as a child.

Most of the articles I've read compare Mini and Fiat. They aren't REALLY the same kinds of cars, but they are both retro styling, cars coming back from the past.

Read his review of the 500 in general:
http://www.cars.com/fiat/500/2012/expert-reviews/?revid=56948

The author is six feet tall, and the Fiat is NOT a car for taller people. I'm 5'4" and I feel the Fiat fits nicely. Anyway, the author thinks the 500 is excellent in some ways. And not so great in others.

The seats he has problems with work great for me. He mentions the Fit as having much more room, and it does, and that's why I ended up getting a Fiat, I didn't NEED that much room. I don't have backseat passengers or masses of luggage, I'm not running a taxi service. So, it's true there isn't much back seat space or cargo space. For me that's great. For others, it's not great.

He likes the things we like, the neat color on the dash, the black or eggshell color trim, etc. And doesn't like the same stuff we don't like, like the cheaper feeling plastics. He mentions all the small cars we had available at the time, Mini, Sonic, Fit, Versa, iQ, Smart. This one is better at one thing, while that one is better at something else.

He calls the headlights "beady" and says it has a pencil mustache. I thought it looked like a cat with big eyes and whiskers, with the fog lights being pointy teeth. I think it has a nice face, and he doesn't and it's all personal opinion.

EugeneS
03-05-2013, 11:39 PM
The author is six feet tall, and the Fiat is NOT a car for taller people.

Andree, have to disagree with you here, I am 6'2" and fit comfortably inside Abarth even with sun roof. There are few other tall people on this forum. Before Abarth I owned 500 Sport, in just 9 months I put almost 19000 miles on it, drove it all over west coast and I have to say the seats were some of the most comfortable seats I ever tried! Abarth seats are great too.

Fiat500USA
03-06-2013, 12:56 AM
"The 2013 Fiat 500 Turbo is the best chapter in an otherwise forgettable book — a compelling version of a flawed car."....

You know, you either get this car or you don't. If you look at cars as numbers and a way to get from point A to B, this car probably isn't for you, or it seems our friend. He dismisses the car as "forgettable." Was he looking at a Kia or some other bland car? He misses the fact that over 1 million people have lined up to own the 500 - folks that cover the full gambit of just starting off to the well known like Schumacher and Leno - people that can own and drive whatever they want. And of course, there are the astounding number of awards the car has won. His statement is truly preposterous....

Then again, I guess he just doesn't get it.

FTY
03-06-2013, 01:05 AM
The writer sounds like a Mini loving little twit, overall. He blows off the fact that it is selling better than many other cars in class, dismissing it as a "flash in the pan". Short sighted, egotistical little dweeb who likely spent a lot of time inside his school locker as a child.

Twit..was the first word I thought of reading this article(i wont even consider it a review).

Fiat500USA
03-06-2013, 01:52 AM
That review could have been written for - YAWN - Consumer Reports. Below is another flawed car. I wonder what they would say about it? Maybe: "It is so noisy and the gas mileage is really bad. The non-powersteering and poor front and rear visibility makes parking atrocious; plus the metal shift gate makes the most annoying "clack" when you shift. Wow, how could they make such a thing!"

Is the above true? Maybe. But do you care? Probably not!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4WX1v70yZYo/TpXI3PtcGTI/AAAAAAAAJ_o/g3YNQ6yr11M/s640/Daytona.jpg

Image: Ferrari SpA

panther76
03-06-2013, 02:08 AM
"The 2013 Fiat 500 Turbo is the best chapter in an otherwise forgettable book a compelling version of a flawed car."....

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yeah, that's why for much of last year they were selling around 4,000 units per month without 500T being available.:smug:

shagghie
03-06-2013, 02:11 AM
That review could have been written for - YAWN - Consumer Reports. Below is another flawed car. I wonder what they would say about it? Maybe: "It is so noisy and the gas mileage is really bad. The non-powersteering and poor front and rear visibility makes parking atrocious; plus the metal shift gate makes the most annoying "clack" when you shift. Wow, how could they make such a thing!"

Is the above true? Maybe. But do you care? Probably not!

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4WX1v70yZYo/TpXI3PtcGTI/AAAAAAAAJ_o/g3YNQ6yr11M/s640/Daytona.jpg

Image: Ferrari SpA

Exactly, so well put. I just wrote the 'twit' an email sharing my thoughts about his article and my thoughts about the 500. The first and last sentences in his review were both the most offensive to me as an owner....

Berliner
03-06-2013, 02:22 AM
I too was abit surprised by the review of the 500T. I drove the Car and i love it specially in silver and gray. Too bad that we cant get the 500S over here

Mr. Man
03-06-2013, 03:12 AM
Yeah his review didn't even make much sense. Show me a car that does everything he wanted it to do. It doesn't exist. And notice how he doesn't bring up the unreliability of minis. He'd obviously r rather have a car that will break down on him for no reason then have his warranty voided for not bringing his car in at the right time for a warranty fix. Then have to pay 20000 out of pocket for a new tranny. Thats in the same price range for a nissan gtr repair

FTY
03-06-2013, 03:39 AM
Exactly, so well put. I just wrote the 'twit' an email sharing my thoughts about his article and my thoughts about the 500. The first and last sentences in his review were both the most offensive to me as an owner....

Please post the TWITs response. :)

Racerflash
03-06-2013, 10:25 AM
These reviews are written for average, boring people . . . Fiat owners are neither.

Andree
03-06-2013, 10:54 AM
See if you like this one better:
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?8727-Review-500T

msjulie33
03-06-2013, 12:18 PM
Just me or does the guy look 13?

Agree with others, no car is perfect but all the 500s are pretty good deals (I think) and customizable (priceless :) ) and not the most basic Pop with auto is bland (to me)

Robert Nixon
03-06-2013, 12:42 PM
Trying to be impartial, he said in at least two places that the Turbo was better than the Mini Cooper, but his harping on how loud the Abarth is tells us he doesn't like driving I guess! First time I've read a complaint that the driver can't hit both window buttons at the same time---I've never even worried about that one myself. He states that the Turbo recommends premium gas and makes it a negative pocketbook point, without saying that the car does just as well on regular.

He didn't like the radio controls, but doesn't the Turbo have the audio controls on the back of the steering wheel like my Abarth? That's the best feature of the car in my opinion, and I never use the audio controls over on the dash!

Yep, you guys are right. You either "get" the FIAT or you don't.

2Cool
03-06-2013, 01:05 PM
Operating both windows at the same time... ever try that on a MINI? Even more difficult. Double standard.

Price comparison, adding options closes the gap to the base model MINI... ever use a MINI builder on their site? Ever see how their options can make an S into a $40k car? Specious argument at best, double standard at worst.

I am sticking with my twit comment. Or maybe like my New Zealand friend's say, he is a muppet.

Andree
03-06-2013, 01:18 PM
Trying to be impartial, he said in at least two places that the Turbo was better than the Mini Cooper, but his harping on how loud the Abarth is tells us he doesn't like driving I guess! First time I've read a complaint that the driver can't hit both window buttons at the same time---I've never even worried about that one myself. He states that the Turbo recommends premium gas and makes it a negative pocketbook point, without saying that the car does just as well on regular.

He didn't like the radio controls, but doesn't the Turbo have the audio controls on the back of the steering wheel like my Abarth? That's the best feature of the car in my opinion, and I never use the audio controls over on the dash!

Yep, you guys are right. You either "get" the FIAT or you don't.

I don't think the fella knew about the steering wheel controls for the radio. When I was told about them by the Fiat Specialist, I thought I'd never be able to use them as it would be too much/hard, and found it's a perfect place and I use them all the time. Except when turning.

I'm still getting used to the central window controls. And the sunroof. It's my first sunroof. After being able to open any windows via the driver side door in my Fit, it's confusing. However, it also makes more sense to have the controls separate like in the Fiat, as I was always opening the wrong windows in the Fit.

Personally, I wouldn't have purchased the Abarth due to the exhaust sound. One of the Fiat surveys asked me how I felt about the exhaust sound in my Lounge. I rated it excellent and mentioned in the comments that I never really have heard my exhaust, and haven't gotten out of the car to put my ear against the back of the car. I said that the exhaust noise wasn't intrusive and that was great. I don't want to hear my exhaust. Ever.

I know that one person's "noisy exhaust" is another person's "music to the ears". I also don't want to hear or feel someone's "excellent" sound system with earthquake-causing-bass, nor would I want to have such a system. Because I know it does indeed bother people, and it's not appropriate for residential areas. Yes, it can be too loud.

I'm near a highway, so we get it all. Jake brakes, Harleys, racing motorcycles, thumping bass, and it all becomes noise that interferes with relaxation. Because it bothers me is a reason I don't want my own vehicle to bother anyone else.

EugeneS
03-06-2013, 01:45 PM
I don't think the fella knew about the steering wheel controls for the radio. When I was told about them by the Fiat Specialist, I thought I'd never be able to use them as it would be too much/hard, and found it's a perfect place and I use them all the time. Except when turning.

I'm still getting used to the central window controls. And the sunroof. It's my first sunroof. After being able to open any windows via the driver side door in my Fit, it's confusing. However, it also makes more sense to have the controls separate like in the Fiat, as I was always opening the wrong windows in the Fit.

Personally, I wouldn't have purchased the Abarth due to the exhaust sound. One of the Fiat surveys asked me how I felt about the exhaust sound in my Lounge. I rated it excellent and mentioned in the comments that I never really have heard my exhaust, and haven't gotten out of the car to put my ear against the back of the car. I said that the exhaust noise wasn't intrusive and that was great. I don't want to hear my exhaust. Ever.

I know that one person's "noisy exhaust" is another person's "music to the ears". I also don't want to hear or feel someone's "excellent" sound system with earthquake-causing-bass, nor would I want to have such a system. Because I know it does indeed bother people, and it's not appropriate for residential areas. Yes, it can be too loud.

I'm near a highway, so we get it all. Jake brakes, Harleys, racing motorcycles, thumping bass, and it all becomes noise that interferes with relaxation. Because it bothers me is a reason I don't want my own vehicle to bother anyone else.

As many people have mentioned, Fiat is not for everyone, some people get it some people don't. That "13-year old" guy obviously does not get it.

Great thing, for those of us who get it, there are so many options available! Pop, Sport, Lounge, 500C, 500T, Abarth and of course 500e & L are just around the corner. With such a wide variety everyone is able to find perfect match! Whether you are looking for quiet ride and comfort or racetrack performance or anything in between, there is a 500 for you!

littlejohn
03-06-2013, 09:28 PM
I drove the 500T with leather and came away with a good vibe...now, he does say it is the "best Chapter" in the line up, so not all bad review.

Croxford
03-06-2013, 09:29 PM
Cars.com is not a professional review site (even though they say they are). They are basically a classified ad web site and nothing more. Here's the parent company's mission statement:

"Our mission is to be the leader in the classified categories of automotive and rentals by building and promoting successful online businesses through motivated employees dedicated to servicing the needs of our consumers and advertisers."

Don't put any more thought into it. They are advertisers trying to sell ad space and nothing more. The reviews are simply fluff to make their site seem to be the real thing.

The reviewer's profile indicates he doesn't have a awful lot of automotive journalism experience. I guess we all have to cut our teeth in our chosen professions somewhere. It might not be a bad idea to cut the guy a little slack and have a chuckle at his opinion instead of taking it so seriously. This is just one of those reviews that will go down in history as not one of the greatest. If it came from a publication like Car and Driver, Motor Trend etc I could understand the backlash, but from Cars.com... it's not worth the effort to get worked up over it.

Gas up, go for a drive and smile.

Croxford

Fiat500USA
03-06-2013, 09:45 PM
I love how he is driving a car with a sport suspension and is 139 inches long and then says larger cars ride better. HELLO, guess what - sports suspensions generally ride stiffer.

And the quip about the luggage space? Non-existent compared to what? How about a little reality and comparing it to a car its size? We have one of the smallest cars in the world that can seat four people and is not a box; with space utilization that is something other companies could learn a thing or two from, but we hear nothing about that.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CqGalmQDmUI/UTfmxNP7IcI/AAAAAAAAQhc/h2E8UiQpBkw/s640/Fiat500USA.com-Fiat-500-Trunk.jpg


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DbeFg3XxTDE/UTfmUd-40pI/AAAAAAAAQhU/zn_JA27apjw/s640/Fiat500USA.com-Fiat-500-Trunk-floor.jpg

Mr. Man
03-07-2013, 02:56 AM
Yeah try fitting groceries and a family of 4 in a scion iq :rofl:

Robert Nixon
03-07-2013, 10:17 AM
FIAT500USA
great point, I was going to say that it's the smoothest riding car with a 90 inch wheel base in the world!

2Cool
03-07-2013, 02:42 PM
Ok, Cars.com is a joke. On their "review" of the Focus ST they claim their reviewer drove the car on Roebling Rd Raceway in GA. Then they show footage lifted directly from Motorweek's review. At no point do you see the Cars.com guy behind the wheel doing more than a slow turn for the camera.

Holy crap, I could piece together a more realistic looking test drive than these clowns. I think I actually like that the Abarth is too growly and scary for them.

http://youtu.be/Ig2BrcdFJcw

djhace
03-07-2013, 03:26 PM
1. "B-pillars that barricade the view over your left shoulder" yes, the b-pillar is large and in the way. you site right next to it, wise guy.
2. "steering wheel that didn't telescope." if you want a telescope, get a u boat. pretty sure they has it as standard.
3. "tiny backseat" - oh, compare to those big ass back seats all other compact cars has. bingo.
4. "the gearshift, too far apart to operate at the same time with one hand" dude, stop picking your nose while driving. that's a hazard.
5. "The radio has tiny buttons" oh, what a problem. bring out the BIG ASS remote control for grandpahaaaaaa. hah.

hahah. hope you find it as funny as i do. :-)

Crossfirecat
03-07-2013, 03:58 PM
I recall reading a review that said "only tree hugging ipod toting hipsters will buy the Abarth and its doubtful one will ever appear on a race track"!
This is why I read reviews from forum members and others who actually own these cars. Motor Trend, Car and Driver...etc. Hold no credibility with me.
Look at how many Forum members own or have owned Ferrari,Lotus,S2000's. yet they chose the Fiat as the daily driver and many are hitting the track and having a blast in a $21,000 car, that supposedly no "professional" likes.
In the end, I love it and that's all that matters.