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Ktm250f3
01-16-2013, 08:18 PM
i really want to go wider and a little taller, i have a set of 225/45/17 but think thats to big. but would love to use them, i just dont want to pay to have it mounted to not fit.

BigDaddySRT
01-17-2013, 09:15 AM
Measuring Rim Width

The measuring rim width is the industry standardized rim width upon which the tire must be mounted in order to confirm it meets its dimensional targets. Because the width of the rim will influence the width of the tire, a standard rim width for every tire size is assigned and must be used. This standardized measuring rim width allows all of the tires produced around the world to meet the same dimensional standards and therefore, be equivalent with regards to their physical size. The measuring rim width is sometimes referred to as the tire's "design rim width."


Pirelli P Zero Nero(Max Performance Summer)
205/40ZR17 84W XL
220 AAA
Tire Weight 19 lbs.
Rim Width Range 5.5-7.5"
Measured Rim Width 6"
Overall Diameter 23.7"
Revolutions Per Mile 886

225/45ZR17 94W XL
220 AAA
Tire Weight 22 lbs.
Rim Width Range 7-9"
Measured Rim Width 7.5"
Overall Diameter 25.1"
Revolutions Per Mile 833


I don't believe a 225 will fit... we had the exact same issue with 1995-1999 NEONs due to strut perch design.

Tire Rack actually recommends a 215/35R17 83W XL if you buy 17"x7.5" Wheels, with an Offset of 30mm.

jguerdat
01-17-2013, 09:22 AM
WHy do you want taller? That's fairly counter-intuitive unless you have some specific end goal. I do wish there was a broader range of sizes available - right now about the only worthwhile upgrades are the Yoko AD08 and Dunlop Z1 Star Specs and new ZII, all in 215/40-17 so slightly wider and a bunch stickier. The 225/45 will sit the car about .6" higher than the stock 205/40-17 which cause the car to sit about .5" higher than the 195/45-16. That leaves you at over 1" higher off the ground than the 16s, generally not the best idea unless you're after ground clearance...

Ktm250f3
01-17-2013, 09:51 AM
WHy do you want taller? That's fairly counter-intuitive unless you have some specific end goal. I do wish there was a broader range of sizes available - right now about the only worthwhile upgrades are the Yoko AD08 and Dunlop Z1 Star Specs and new ZII, all in 215/40-17 so slightly wider and a bunch stickier. The 225/45 will sit the car about .6" higher than the stock 205/40-17 which cause the car to sit about .5" higher than the 195/45-16. That leaves you at over 1" higher off the ground than the 16s, generally not the best idea unless you're after ground clearance...
Well I've got it lowered 2 inches and I want more tire to give it more of a rally look, and completely fill the wheel well.I'm not to worried about a half inch raise in ground clearance because it scrapes now in some places. The only thing I see being a problem is rubbing the plastic lining of the fender.

Ktm250f3
01-17-2013, 09:53 AM
So is the overall diameter of the 16"s less than the 17"s? Tire size that is haha

BigDaddySRT
01-17-2013, 10:04 AM
So is the overall diameter of the 16"s less than the 17"s? Tire size that is haha


Pirelli Cinturato P7 All Season(Grand Touring All-Season)
195/45R16 84H XL
500 AA
Overall Diameter 22.9"

Pirelli P Zero Nero(Max Performance Summer)
205/40ZR17 84W XL
220 AAA
Overall Diameter 23.7"

BigDaddySRT
01-17-2013, 10:11 AM
WHy do you want taller? That's fairly counter-intuitive unless you have some specific end goal. I do wish there was a broader range of sizes available - right now about the only worthwhile upgrades are the Yoko AD08 and Dunlop Z1 Star Specs and new ZII, all in 215/40-17 so slightly wider and a bunch stickier. The 225/45 will sit the car about .6" higher than the stock 205/40-17 which cause the car to sit about .5" higher than the 195/45-16. That leaves you at over 1" higher off the ground than the 16s, generally not the best idea unless you're after ground clearance...

I wouldn't necessarily say that they are "a bunch stickier" than the P Zero Nero.

DunlopDirezza Sport Z1 Star Spec (Extreme Performance Summer)
200 AA

Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08 (Extreme Performance Summer)
180 AAA


Depending on the Original Posters Weather Location... they need to look at tire compounds very carefully due to operating temperatures/ conditions.

BigDaddySRT
01-17-2013, 10:19 AM
If I were you... I'd find a set of Stock ABARTH 16's, and get a tire to fit them.

You'll get some more sidewall... but still have a smaller/ same Outer Diameter than the 17's.
Catch my drift?

Ktm250f3
01-17-2013, 10:33 AM
That's an idea!

Ktm250f3
01-17-2013, 10:42 AM
I wouldn't necessarily say that they are "a bunch stickier" than the P Zero Nero.

DunlopDirezza Sport Z1 Star Spec (Extreme Performance Summer)
200 AA

Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08 (Extreme Performance Summer)
180 AAA
.
Depending on the Original Posters Weather Location... they need to look at tire compounds very carefully due to operating temperatures/ conditions.
I'm in Florida, so three season is fine year round

Robust
01-17-2013, 01:40 PM
I have some personal experience with overall tire diameter that might help with your decision making. For a winter set, I bought the Borbet LV4 wheel with the Michelin X-Ice in the 205/50R16 size. The wheels are 16" X 7", with a +38mm offset, not 17s in this case.
The tire specs are as follows:
Rim width range - 5.5 - 7.5"
Measured rim width 6.5"
Section width 8.4"
Tread width 7.0"
Overall diameter 24.1"

My Abarth has the stock suspension. When backing up with the steering wheel at full left lock, the left tire just barely touches the wheel well lining, and has caused no damage. When backing up with the steering wheel at full right lock, I get no rubbing. Moving forward, there is no rubbing with full lock either direction. Hope this helps. And for what it's worth, some local Abarth owners say my car has a rally look, but that wasn't my goal, I just wanted a little more tire than the 195/45R16.
Here are a couple photos for reference.

4766

4767

Ktm250f3
01-17-2013, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the pics that's exactly what I want but the tires I want are 25" dia and would probably rub a lot if your almost do now, and with my car being lowered

jguerdat
01-18-2013, 08:43 AM
I wouldn't necessarily say that they are "a bunch stickier" than the P Zero Nero.

DunlopDirezza Sport Z1 Star Spec (Extreme Performance Summer)
200 AA

Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08 (Extreme Performance Summer)
180 AAA

Ya can't go by the treadwear rating exclusively. In competition, you won't find a Pirelli street tire anyplace but you'll find both of the above in spades. Shoot, Tirerack even lists the Pirelli as Max Performance while the above are Extreme. In reality, I'm a good bit down in time when autocrossing against others on better tires and I'm not exactly a slug...

jguerdat
01-18-2013, 08:47 AM
Well I've got it lowered 2 inches and I want more tire to give it more of a rally look, and completely fill the wheel well.I'm not to worried about a half inch raise in ground clearance because it scrapes now in some places. The only thing I see being a problem is rubbing the plastic lining of the fender.

With the 2" lowering, ride height isn't much of an issue. Rubbing certainly could be but you'd need to characterize camber gain so you can see what happens to the geometry when lowering. The brute force method is to just try it but that could get expensive. Of course, the other part of larger diameter tires is the decreased performance due to the overall change in gearing. The car will be slower and have a significant speedometer error.

Tom2.0
02-06-2013, 01:18 PM
I've seen 215/35/17 and it looks very similar to stock, but looks just a hair on the "shorter" side. I wonder what a 225/30/17 would look like.... :S

Tom2.0
02-06-2013, 01:31 PM
I'm looking on tirerack right now and 2 high-performance tires I found that are 215mm width (10mm wider) have the same overall height as our stock 205mm Pirelli's. Sounds good to me!

jguerdat
02-07-2013, 09:19 AM
That's all you'll find. 225/30-17 would be great if it came in a tire that was worth the effort...

FTY
02-07-2013, 09:43 AM
I attempted a 205/50/17 on my lowered Abarth. I didnt fit, not even close.FYI

Like a few guys said, want a taller tire drop downa rim size.

Pinecone
02-07-2013, 04:56 PM
I'm looking on tirerack right now and 2 high-performance tires I found that are 215mm width (10mm wider) have the same overall height as our stock 205mm Pirelli's. Sounds good to me!

Which ones?

I know about the Dunlop Direzza

shagghie
02-07-2013, 05:30 PM
Which ones?

I know about the Dunlop Direzza

I spec'd out the Yoko AD08's in 215/40-17 for my next street legal tire that I still hold their own on the Auto-X. (on my stock 17" Abarth wheels). They are +10 wider so they are like 225's effectively, which if our cars are lowered could be an issue (per above).

FTY, I know you were on 50's (not 40's) height wise, but may I ask, are you on a 2" drop or 1.4" or CO's, or?

BigDaddySRT
02-08-2013, 08:24 AM
Which ones?

I know about the Dunlop Direzza

215/40R17

ADVAN Neova AD08
180AAA 23.7"

Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
200AA 23.8"

Dunlop Direzza ZII
200AA 23.8"

BFGoodrich G-Force T/A KDW 2
300AAA 23.7"

FTY
02-08-2013, 08:51 AM
I spec'd out the Yoko AD08's in 215/40-17 for my next street legal tire that I still hold their own on the Auto-X. (on my stock 17" Abarth wheels). They are +10 wider so they are like 225's effectively, which if our cars are lowered could be an issue (per above).

FTY, I know you were on 50's (not 40's) height wise, but may I ask, are you on a 2" drop or 1.4" or CO's, or?

At the time it was a 2" drop on Sportlines....currently its even lower on CO's.

Pinecone
02-08-2013, 01:38 PM
The issue I have with the AD08s, is the minimum temp thing. Although for the Abarth I switch to winter tires (I picked up a set of stock 16s) so I don't have to worry too much.

Except for that, they would be on a couple of cars. Looking at needing tires for my E46 M3. Probably Michelin Super Sports for it.

shagghie
02-08-2013, 02:24 PM
The issue I have with the AD08s, is the minimum temp thing. Although for the Abarth I switch to winter tires (I picked up a set of stock 16s) so I don't have to worry too much.

Except for that, they would be on a couple of cars. Looking at needing tires for my E46 M3. Probably Michelin Super Sports for it.


All So Cal driving for my Abarth here, so I think I'll run the AD08's year round, as their wet-weather is pretty darn good. The other option is some smaller and wider wheels with R-Spec rubber for monthly Auto-X events, but I think I'd rather spend the 'same money' on just running the AD08's for DD and track use on the stock 17" rims all year, and just adjusting tire pressure for track days. Tough call... and wonder which one in the end is lowest cost, too...

trevc
02-08-2013, 03:16 PM
I think I am going to try these - estimating my Pirellis will be shot by mid-year
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+ZII&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=14WR7Z2&tab=Sizes

Pinecone
02-10-2013, 11:24 AM
Dedicated track tires will last longer than running street tires on the track.

Pinecone
02-10-2013, 11:26 AM
I think I am going to try these - estimating my Pirellis will be shot by mid-year
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+ZII&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=14WR7Z2&tab=Sizes

What size are you planning on running?

They don't make the 215/40-17 in the II version. The 205/45-17 is a half inch taller than the 205/40 stock tires.

trevc
02-10-2013, 12:31 PM
According to Tire Rack the 215/40-17 will be available in the II in March.
i hope they are right.

What size are you planning on running?

They don't make the 215/40-17 in the II version. The 205/45-17 is a half inch taller than the 205/40 stock tires.

Crazy Otto
02-12-2013, 08:16 AM
If you wanted to go nuts for auto x or time trials then look at hoosier a6 in 225/40-17. Same OD but wide and super sticky. May be piched a bit on 7" rim and may require more camber infront but yeah you can prob tip the car over on these! Pinecone what do you think?

jguerdat
02-12-2013, 08:49 AM
The Kumho V710 in 215/40-16 might be a viable option, too, even on the narrower 16" wheel. And last longer. I'm staying on street tires but if I were to use R comps, I think the Kumho with shorter diameter and wider tread may be quite suitable. Hoosier has the same size but less width.

BigDaddySRT
02-12-2013, 09:06 AM
If you wanted to go nuts for auto x or time trials then look at hoosier a6 in 225/40-17. Same OD but wide and super sticky. May be piched a bit on 7" rim and may require more camber infront but yeah you can prob tip the car over on these! Pinecone what do you think?

I'm not Pinecone.... but I don't think the 225/40R17 would fit on the ABARTH.
That A6 has a Tread Width = 8.9"
The stock Pirelli P Zero Nero has a Tread Width = 8.1".


That's an extra 20mm (or 0.79") of width. You guys need to measure components prior to purchasing a set of tires.

Pinecone
02-12-2013, 11:19 AM
It may just be a problem at full lock. Which isn't often on an autocross or track.

I would be leary of super sticky rubber without some suspension work. BUT the Abarth is legal in stock with such rubber. :)

The Hoosier A6 225/40-17 is speced for a 7 - 9" rim. :)

2Cool
02-12-2013, 12:02 PM
I wonder why no one mentioned the Falken AZENIS RT-615K? It is available in both 205/40-17 and 215-40-17 and is normally one of the top tires in any SCCA street tire class. It can also be sourced for $140 or less each.

Just curious since I used the original Azeni on my '02 MCS to win the central FL division championship in STX back in '04. Loved the tire, and wet weather performance was very good considering its dry grip.

BigDaddySRT
02-12-2013, 12:32 PM
It may just be a problem at full lock. Which isn't often on an autocross or track.

I would be leary of super sticky rubber without some suspension work. BUT the Abarth is legal in stock with such rubber. :)

The Hoosier A6 225/40-17 is speced for a 7 - 9" rim. :)

Rim Width isn't a concern... but adding width to the tread brings attention to the Spring Perches.
Add in tire deflection under hard braking/ cornering, and that Spring Perch could destroy the tire.

jguerdat
02-13-2013, 09:30 AM
I wonder why no one mentioned the Falken AZENIS RT-615K? It is available in both 205/40-17 and 215-40-17 and is normally one of the top tires in any SCCA street tire class. It can also be sourced for $140 or less each.

I haven't heard of Falken as a top tire in some time. I follow the Honda S2000 STR builds closely and no one even contemplates anything other than Dunlop and Hankook. Results from the 2012 Nationals Championship shows exactly one Falken in 5th place in Road Tire FWD.

2Cool
02-13-2013, 10:22 AM
I haven't heard of Falken as a top tire in some time. I follow the Honda S2000 STR builds closely and no one even contemplates anything other than Dunlop and Hankook. Results from the 2012 Nationals Championship shows exactly one Falken in 5th place in Road Tire FWD.

Well heck, been away from solo II for a while since we lost our local course, 90 miles now on an early Sunday is too much for me. So even the Khumo XS isn't competitive? I had good results with their MX back in the day as well.

jguerdat
02-13-2013, 06:35 PM
The XS is also an also-ran. Dunlop and Hankook are the cream of the crop right now.

Crossfirecat
02-15-2013, 10:31 AM
So my p-zero Nero's are about a 16'th away from the tread bars at 14,000 miles. Contacted Tire Rack yesterday to order a new set of Direzza star specs. I was told they do not meet the load requirement(XL) for the Abarth. Hmm, asked about the G Force sport comp 2 as a daily driver tire and was told they do not meet the load requirements either. Ive had poor experiences with a few of the other brands available at tire-rack in the correct size, So it's back to the drawing board. Suggestions?
I'm considering looking for an 18" wheel and running 215/35/18's in the Conti DWS's at this point. Overall diameter is pretty close. 23.9 vs oem 23.8 I believe.

BigDaddySRT
02-15-2013, 12:32 PM
So my p-zero Nero's are about a 16'th away from the tread bars at 14,000 miles. Contacted Tire Rack yesterday to order a new set of Direzza star specs. I was told they do not meet the load requirement(XL) for the Abarth. Hmm, asked about the G Force sport comp 2 as a daily driver tire and was told they do not meet the load requirements either. Ive had poor experiences with a few of the other brands available at tire-rack in the correct size, So it's back to the drawing board. Suggestions?

Contact the Manufacture Directly and ask them what the load ratings are?

Order the Tires you want... be happy.

ivmill
02-15-2013, 12:47 PM
I'm considering looking for an 18" wheel and running 215/35/18's in the Conti DWS's at this point. Overall diameter is pretty close. 23.9 vs oem 23.8 I believe.

I had a set of 215/45/17's Conti DWS's and I hated them. I went from a set of Yokohama S drives to those and felt like it threw the handling way off. I figured it was a combination of going from summer tires to all seasons and sidewall stiffness. When going into a turn you could feel the tires roll over with the weight shift and plow more through turns. I am far from a tire expert though, just throwing out my .02

Crossfirecat
02-15-2013, 01:55 PM
Contact the Manufacture Directly and ask them what the load ratings are?

Order the Tires you want... be happy.

I did just that and was told very much the same answer regarding both. These tires might be ok to use, but if driven aggressivly, the would probably fail as the load range is 400+ lbs less than what is specified for the Fiat 500(per set of four tires).
While the tire will support the weight of the car. When under load(driving) the sidewalls cannot control the tire as intended. Meaning increased and irregular wear, More heat and ultimately sudden failure without warning.
This was pretty much the blanket answer I got and further research on my part has been very much to the same point.
While tire companies are probably stating conservative load ratings just to stay on the safe side, I'd rather not be that guy! This is the type of thing that insurance companies use to get out of paying. Puts your passengers at risk as well as everyone else on the road. I've gotten too old to screw with the laws of physics or a pissed off wife! Lol

I think I'm going to give the KDWs another try. They were good on my SRT-4. Excellent in the torrential Florida rain. I never noticed the "noise" many complained about until the were pretty much down to the last 20% of the tread. But then again, solid mounts,3" exhaust and coil overs tend to introduce a lot of noise already.

BigDaddySRT
02-15-2013, 02:17 PM
I did just that and was told very much the same answer regarding both. These tires might be ok to use, but if driven aggressivly, the would probably fail as the load range is 400+ lbs less than what is specified for the Fiat 500(per set of four tires).
While the tire will support the weight of the car. When under load(driving) the sidewalls cannot control the tire as intended. Meaning increased and irregular wear, More heat and ultimately sudden failure without warning.
This was pretty much the blanket answer I got and further research on my part has been very much to the same point.
While tire companies are probably stating conservative load ratings just to stay on the safe side, I'd rather not be that guy! This is the type of thing that insurance companies use to get out of paying. Puts your passengers at risk as well as everyone else on the road. I've gotten too old to screw with the laws of physics or a pissed off wife! Lol

I think I'm going to give the KDWs another try. They were good on my SRT-4. Excellent in the torrential Florida rain. I never noticed the "noise" many complained about until the were pretty much down to the last 20% of the tread. But then again, solid mounts,3" exhaust and coil overs tend to introduce a lot of noise already.

If the Manufacture says they aren't recommended... then I think you have your answer.
But on another hand, they are truly protecting their Product and their Business against lawsuits.

If you intend on using them at a local "Event", you have a spare set of stock Tires/ Wheels for the street, don't ever plan on using them on public roads, and intend on keeping low mileage on them... then me personally, I'd give them a try.


The KDW's get a lot of praise from me... same story as they were on my 2004 SRT-4, and we swapped the 2003 SRT-4 to them as soon as we destroyed the Michelins.

jguerdat
02-16-2013, 09:12 AM
I'm no expert, either, but it seems to be a bit of overstatement as to whether the load rating is all that pertinent. The 205/40-17 Pirelli P-Zero Nero is rated with a max load of 1102 lbs. The 215/40-15 Dunlop Direzza ZI and ZII as well as the Yoko AD08 are rated at 1074 lbs. 28 lbs. doesn't seem terribly significant to me, especially given the Extreme Performance rating, likely leading to stiffer sidewalls.

davem
02-16-2013, 09:13 PM
Hard to believe a 500 could overload a tire weight wise!? Its the lightest car in production pretty much. Guessing its the front weight bias?

shagghie
03-22-2013, 06:52 PM
I'm no expert, either, but it seems to be a bit of overstatement as to whether the load rating is all that pertinent. The 205/40-17 Pirelli P-Zero Nero is rated with a max load of 1102 lbs. The 215/40-15 Dunlop Direzza ZI and ZII as well as the Yoko AD08 are rated at 1074 lbs. 28 lbs. doesn't seem terribly significant to me, especially given the Extreme Performance rating, likely leading to stiffer sidewalls.

Between the ZII's and the AD08's, any input on which might be best suited for a DD and auto-x car? ZII's slightly higher treadwear but not enough to gauge whether I'd get more mileage out of them over the AD08's...

Anyone hear if the R1R's will be available in 215/40-17?

jguerdat
03-23-2013, 07:37 AM
Between the ZII's and the AD08's, any input on which might be best suited for a DD and auto-x car? ZII's slightly higher treadwear but not enough to gauge whether I'd get more mileage out of them over the AD08's...

Anyone hear if the R1R's will be available in 215/40-17?

The ZIIs seem to be the better of the two by a fair shot. That said, there's an AD08R that's being talked about but it's unclear if it's an R-comp or a street tire. Pretty mmuch every top tier street tire is in the process of being updated so you have to pick what's available at the time you need to purchase and go from there. None will be a bad choice.

Haven't heard anything about the R1R yet but it's not like I hear everything.

mkawa
03-23-2013, 11:58 AM
my only experience is with z1ss and re11s in 215/45/17 on an rsx (lightened to about 2600lb), but the pzero neros don't touch either tire at all, in any way. both have better steering response and more traction. my understanding with the azenis is that they were outclassed in at high temp by the z1ss (now z2) and hankooks, even with the reformulated K compound, and so they aren't very popular in solo2 anymore. that said, we're driving G stock cars, and i've heard that azenis have steering response and the kind of quick warmup times that are perfect for our super lightweight cars.

it's not clear to me that 17s are the best choice for our cars though. 16x7 allegerita HLTs are 13.6lb, easily clear the brakes, and and we have a lot more choice in tire sizes without rubbing on 16s.

anyway this question is particularly pertinent to me, as i'm really disliking the freeway squirm with the stock 16 P7s on my car.

eta: the ad08 looks interesting, but the 16 diameter sizings are pretty suboptimal :(

ScorpionQueen
08-04-2014, 04:34 PM
is anybody running 215/45r17 on the stock 17 abarth wheels? any rubbing issue with the slightly wider/taller tire on stock suspension?

It would be great if i can use that size! I've used Hankook RS-3 in another car for a season and they handled great under heat and has a bit faster lap time than the Z2

jguerdat
08-05-2014, 08:09 AM
Don't do it. It's almost an inch taller. On a high-powered car, the extra height and worse gearing might not be noticed but there's no way it will help an Abarth. Any difference between the R-S3 and ZII is lost in the (driver) noise unless you're a top national competitor.

Abarth Five O
08-05-2014, 12:38 PM
I've been running 215/45/17 on 17x7.5s w/ big drop on COs. Slight rubbing on hard bumps. You should be fine w/ stock set up.

Nero12
08-05-2014, 01:26 PM
I've been running 215/45/17 on 17x7.5s w/ big drop on COs. Slight rubbing on hard bumps. You should be fine w/ stock set up.

Any pics? Ive been thinking about this size on the Eibach sportlines

Abarth Five O
08-05-2014, 05:34 PM
Check out my garage in my sig.

doverosx
08-09-2014, 12:04 AM
The ZIIs seem to be the better of the two by a fair shot. That said, there's an AD08R that's being talked about but it's unclear if it's an R-comp or a street tire. Pretty mmuch every top tier street tire is in the process of being updated so you have to pick what's available at the time you need to purchase and go from there. None will be a bad choice.

Haven't heard anything about the R1R yet but it's not like I hear everything.

ZIIs are better in the dry. AD08s are insanely better in the wet. The ZIIs have stiffer sidewalls which is good if you're on stock camber, stock roll stiffness (Same springs, same sways). I don't know how the Abarth handles autocross yet but I will see once I can get mine from the dealer. R1Rs are way better in the dry AND cold than anything else.

Also, extreme performance doesn't mean "stiffer sidewalls" and usually have softer sidewalls. The tires are designed to take way more abuse than any street tire can and that is certainly the primary difference...that and response at the traction limits.

Boese Ritter
10-05-2018, 09:26 PM
I'm running 205/40 R17s