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Panzerman
10-02-2015, 08:08 PM
Here is my only but new addition to the skirt issue, 2013 Fiat Turbo with 11300 miles on it. Had the oil changed on Wednesday then noticed the right skirt separating on the way home tonight. Can't say if it is a result of the lift for the oil change or not but enclosed photos for the heck of it. Have an appt Monday to take care of the issue.

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streetsurfer
10-03-2015, 09:45 AM
Mine are not peeling off , but then nobody has raised it besides me since the prep of the car at delivery (during which they dented the floor pan at the round holes/platforms just inboard of the jacking point). Even then, when I do raise it according to the proper jacking points, some flex to the aero skirt is noticable through the twisting of the reflections of surrounding walls/items in the aero's paint. I would say when possible, raise the car as evenly side to side as you can. That is what I have begun to do- with two floor jacks, alternating side to side, a couple strokes of the lever at a time. The rear goes on ramps, and the front gets jacked/stands.

lammie200
10-03-2015, 11:33 AM
Here is my only but new addition to the skirt issue, 2013 Fiat Turbo with 11300 miles on it. Had the oil changed on Wednesday then noticed the right skirt separating on the way home tonight. Can't say if it is a result of the lift for the oil change or not but enclosed photos for the heck of it. Have an appt Monday to take care of the issue.

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Have you tried pushing on it to snap it back into place? It might work if the tabs aren't damaged.

prodigi
10-04-2015, 07:03 AM
I took my 2012 in 2 weeks ago for passenger side skirt separation. The Studio told me that they would have to order a new skirt, install it and paint it on the car! This seems very strange since I'm concerned about over-spray. Why wouldn't they just paint the side skirt while it's off the car. Anyway they said that the needed to take pictures to send to fiat first and they would get back to me in a few days. It's been 2 weeks now and haven't heard a thing. Also had a rattle in the drivers door and they replaced the window regulator but I still have a rattle.

Panzerman
10-04-2015, 10:09 AM
Have you tried pushing on it to snap it back into place? It might work if the tabs aren't damaged.

Yes but there is quite a bit of pressure on it and i cant seem to find any tabs you speak of

streetsurfer
10-04-2015, 11:55 AM
I took my 2012 in 2 weeks ago for passenger side skirt separation. The Studio told me that they would have to order a new skirt, install it and paint it on the car! This seems very strange since I'm concerned about over-spray. Why wouldn't they just paint the side skirt while it's off the car. Anyway they said that the needed to take pictures to send to fiat first and they would get back to me in a few days. It's been 2 weeks now and haven't heard a thing. Also had a rattle in the drivers door and they replaced the window regulator but I still have a rattle.
I read once that heat curing of the paint is warping the part if painted off the car. Thus that might be why they now want to paint them on the car. I really dont know if heat lamps are involved in the curing of the flexible paint used on these softer plastic components but I believe we have some folks more knowledgable in paint systems who can address this in time.
As for the rattles...let them keep after it. There are some other areas that could be causing it. One being the screws that fasten the door card to the door, and another being the clips for the window track attaching it to the window's outer frame, I think. Some of those clips have broken or dislodged in the past. Sometimes an actuating rod can come loose from either the latch or handle or locking solenoids, so there just needs to be a good inspection of the doors components rather than them throwing parts at it in a random fashion. I hope you get it sorted out soon.

prodigi
10-06-2015, 05:47 AM
I read once that heat curing of the paint is warping the part if painted off the car. Thus that might be why they now want to paint them on the car. I really dont know if heat lamps are involved in the curing of the flexible paint used on these softer plastic components but I believe we have some folks more knowledgable in paint systems who can address this in time.
As for the rattles...let them keep after it. There are some other areas that could be causing it. One being the screws that fasten the door card to the door, and another being the clips for the window track attaching it to the window's outer frame, I think. Some of those clips have broken or dislodged in the past. Sometimes an actuating rod can come loose from either the latch or handle or locking solenoids, so there just needs to be a good inspection of the doors components rather than them throwing parts at it in a random fashion. I hope you get it sorted out soon.

Thanks for the response. I called them today to see if my repair had been approved and they told me that they had not heard back from whoever approves the warranty work. She told me it could take months to get approval. WTH? I have a feeling this is going to be a long frustrating experience. I may need to check out another Fiat dealer farther away from me because I don't have a lot of confidence in this studio.

Panzerman
10-06-2015, 09:48 AM
Update; the service guys replaced the metal clips added two sided tape and popped it back on. It looks good and seems tight

p2gee
10-06-2015, 10:38 AM
I took my 2012 in 2 weeks ago for passenger side skirt separation. The Studio told me that they would have to order a new skirt, install it and paint it on the car! This seems very strange since I'm concerned about over-spray. Why wouldn't they just paint the side skirt while it's off the car. Anyway they said that the needed to take pictures to send to fiat first and they would get back to me in a few days. It's been 2 weeks now and haven't heard a thing. Also had a rattle in the drivers door and they replaced the window regulator but I still have a rattle.

Painting the skirt off the car with a different pot of paint than the factory application, is about a 90% guarantee of a color mismatch when the part is installed on the car. The accepted way to do it today is to install the part on the car and use a painting technique called blending to make the color mismatch substantially less obvious.

FiatCares
10-09-2015, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the response. I called them today to see if my repair had been approved and they told me that they had not heard back from whoever approves the warranty work. She told me it could take months to get approval. WTH? I have a feeling this is going to be a long frustrating experience. I may need to check out another Fiat dealer farther away from me because I don't have a lot of confidence in this studio.

Hi prodigi,

If you'd like to PM me your VIN, contact information, and the name of the studio you're currently working with, I'd be happy to look into this for you.

schnizdawg
11-03-2015, 09:25 PM
FYI all, this is not a factory defect. This issue is because the car was lifted on a car lift that has flat panel lifts. The side skirts come lower than the lift points underneath our cars. If the shop you take your car to does not use wood blocks on those type of lifts then the lift pushes up the skirts and basically rips them off. This happened to mine once and I fixed the skirts myself and have since told the shops that I take my car to that they must use wood blocks to lift my car to rotate tires. Otherwise I would go to another shop for my tire rotations. That's how this happens.

Fiat500USA
11-04-2015, 12:36 AM
FYI all, this is not a factory defect. This issue is because the car was lifted on a car lift that has flat panel lifts. The side skirts come lower than the lift points underneath our cars. If the shop you take your car to does not use wood blocks on those type of lifts then the lift pushes up the skirts and basically rips them off. This happened to mine once and I fixed the skirts myself and have since told the shops that I take my car to that they must use wood blocks to lift my car to rotate tires. Otherwise I would go to another shop for my tire rotations. That's how this happens.

The European cars also use identical skirts and adhesive, too, and I don't remember reading about this problem there.

Trunkout
11-04-2015, 01:24 AM
The European cars also use identical skirts and adhesive, too, and I don't remember reading about this problem there.

Actually I was told by a salesman it was due to cargo straps.
Perhaps it is a shipping issue.

LilSilverBullet
11-04-2015, 08:21 AM
Actually I was told by a salesman it was due to cargo straps.
Perhaps it is a shipping issue.

My car started having the separation after 3-month of ownership. It was never on lift before it happened.

Trunkout
11-04-2015, 11:38 AM
My car started having the separation after 3-month of ownership. It was never on lift before it happened.

Ah.... No. Gravity didn't do it!

Tweak
11-04-2015, 11:45 AM
Ah.... No. Gravity didn't do it!

Likely went on a lift during prep prior to being stuck on the lot of delivery.

Andree
12-20-2015, 12:00 PM
Bump for another member with skirt issues.

AbarthFox
12-20-2015, 11:27 PM
bump ! - well mine got glued by a monkey !!
nothing I can do now. At least it will not be coming off.


http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?23701-Dealer-use-quot-glue-quot-to-attach-side-skirt-I-am-upset&p=761179#post761179

Andree
12-21-2015, 12:19 AM
bump ! - well mine got glued by a monkey !!
nothing I can do now. At least it will not be coming off.


http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?23701-Dealer-use-quot-glue-quot-to-attach-side-skirt-I-am-upset&p=761179#post761179

haha, I bumped it for you!

I figured your tech has read this thread and completely filled the back side of your skirt with every glue in existence, while muttering "this time, this skirt ain't going nowhere...ever...why it can withstand a nuclear blast or meteor hit..."

AbarthFox
12-21-2015, 12:51 AM
^ probably. It pisses my off we was so sloppy. but you can't really see it honestly unless I point it out. I am getting over it, I need to enjoy my car; I love that thing.

NCAbarth
04-19-2017, 07:17 PM
FYI all, this is not a factory defect. This issue is because the car was lifted on a car lift that has flat panel lifts. The side skirts come lower than the lift points underneath our cars. If the shop you take your car to does not use wood blocks on those type of lifts then the lift pushes up the skirts and basically rips them off. This happened to mine once and I fixed the skirts myself and have since told the shops that I take my car to that they must use wood blocks to lift my car to rotate tires. Otherwise I would go to another shop for my tire rotations. That's how this happens.

That may cause a problem, but you cannot say in general that a lift is the cause. My 2015 Abarth has only been on my lift (which easily clears the side skirt) or the dealer's which you would guess is not in the habit of damaging their own vehicles. Will have to take it back for a second repair...

Trunkout
04-19-2017, 07:31 PM
That may cause a problem, but you cannot say in general that a lift is the cause. My 2015 Abarth has only been on my lift (which easily clears the side skirt) or the dealer's which you would guess is not in the habit of damaging their own vehicles. Will have to take it back for a second repair...
Also don't forget a lot of these came off a boat. The straps damaged many and many were repaired poorly.

Rhilpp1
04-19-2017, 08:58 PM
I have a 2014 GQ and a 2013 Turbo and both cars have had side skirt separation issues. Both are at the dealer as we speak getting the skirts redone.

BradF
04-21-2017, 08:17 PM
I have a 2012 Abarth bought new 5 years ago next month. I'm starting to see some separation on the driver's side. I'm going to try my own fix with some JB Weld and a spare tire/wheel leaning on it for compression... The dealer told me they wouldn't do anything very different.

ti22fjc
04-21-2017, 08:50 PM
I had a Sport that I fixed one of the side skirts on. It wasn't too difficult. i'm not sure what the cause was, but it's basically adhesives on the top, pop in with fasteners along the bottom and screwed in from the bottom.
I pulled it off, unscrewed it from the bottom and used Goo Gone to remove the adhesive. I bought some 3M adhesive, placed it back on and got it back on. Of course I dryer out the area where it was going on the car with alcohol and everything looked great.
Again, fairly easy fix.

ice445
04-21-2017, 09:24 PM
Jb weld is a very bad idea, lol. Use 3m molding tape. It holds very well.

BradF
04-21-2017, 11:35 PM
Jb weld is a very bad idea, lol. Use 3m molding tape. It holds very well.


My separation is very slight, I don't need to re-attach the entire skirt. I can see two small spots - one right next to the adhesive tape square - where small dabs of the JBW for plastic will work just fine. The passenger side shows no separation whatsoever. More a pre-emptive action than a major undertaking. My car is garaged when it's not being driven, so it hasn't seen the effects of weather that some seem to have had. Just a tick over 37k miles in 59.5 months.

Trunkout
04-22-2017, 11:04 AM
You guys also gotta remember.... if they are coming off and have been for a while the plastic will "mold" to a new position.
Simple "gluing it back" won't work because they don't line up. I had to have one of mine replaced.

Michael T
04-22-2017, 11:36 AM
I just had this fixed under warranty a few months ago on my 2013. Both sides were separating.

kquims
04-22-2017, 12:58 PM
same in here.. Not that much but it has both front right and front left. I have to visit studio on the next friday cause I got whistling noise at idle... so, I will update how they react and fix both whistling noise and side skirt issue.

ice445
04-22-2017, 04:22 PM
You guys also gotta remember.... if they are coming off and have been for a while the plastic will "mold" to a new position.
Simple "gluing it back" won't work because they don't line up. I had to have one of mine replaced.Nah, they get twisted out of shape due to incorrect lifting, not just hanging off the car.

Trunkout
04-22-2017, 04:46 PM
Nah, they get twisted out of shape due to incorrect lifting, not just hanging off the car.
Yah! If the fastner gets undone and HOLDS the skirt out for a while it happens.

ice445
04-22-2017, 04:51 PM
Yah! If the fastner gets undone and HOLDS the skirt out for a while it happens.Well to be fair that's a different scenario than what I imagined. You can reform the skirt with a heat gun and a rubber mallet though ;)

Trunkout
04-22-2017, 05:57 PM
Well to be fair that's a different scenario than what I imagined. You can reform the skirt with a heat gun and a rubber mallet though ;)
That's kinda like what I said to the dealer! :) I was like "can't ya just heat it and bend it?"
They were afraid the paint would crack....
So I waited a week for new and paint and what a PITA.

compu_85
04-22-2017, 06:55 PM
The side skirts on the 500e are similar to the Abarth... and also seem to peel away from the body. Our roommates 2014 had the skirts pulling away from the body at all 4 ends. Our 13 was starting to pull away at the front. Some 3M tape has corrected the issue for now...

-J

ice445
04-22-2017, 09:29 PM
That's kinda like what I said to the dealer! :) I was like "can't ya just heat it and bend it?"
They were afraid the paint would crack....
So I waited a week for new and paint and what a PITA.Yeah, it doesn't crack, lol. It actually will start bubbling and melting off though (I hit one spot for just a bit too long). I actually don't think it's that bad to fix these yourself. Only takes like an hour if you know what to do. I've done it twice now. The 3M molding tape is hella strong, the skirts held fine through a hellish winter with often below zero temps.

Lucky 494
12-12-2017, 05:41 PM
Add me to the list as well. Passenger side is pulling away at both the front and rear. Brand new 2017.

Fiat500USA
12-12-2017, 10:01 PM
That may cause a problem, but you cannot say in general that a lift is the cause. My 2015 Abarth has only been on my lift (which easily clears the side skirt) or the dealer's which you would guess is not in the habit of damaging their own vehicles. Will have to take it back for a second repair...

Sadly, that may not be the case. You never know who is working on your car at a shop. While there is likely to be a skilled tech on duty, it's also quite possible a lower tech put your car up on the lift to do an oil change/rotate the tires. There's a learning curve and you never know what part of the curve the guy is on who is working on your car..

Trunkout
12-13-2017, 02:28 PM
Add me to the list as well. Passenger side is pulling away at both the front and rear. Brand new 2017.
Take it in. Free fix.

angie500
08-13-2018, 11:19 AM
Hi everyone. Thank you for the advice. My wife and I purchase a 2015 Abarth yesterday, and wouldn't you know that one of the skirts is starting to separate. Not horrible yet, but it is happening. We have a warranty on the car so I'm hoping that's all covered.

FiatCares
08-14-2018, 03:50 PM
Hi everyone. Thank you for the advice. My wife and I purchase a 2015 Abarth yesterday, and wouldn't you know that one of the skirts is starting to separate. Not horrible yet, but it is happening. We have a warranty on the car so I'm hoping that's all covered.

Hi angie500,
We're sorry to hear this is happening to your new Fiat. Please feel free to let us know if you make an appointment with your dealer. We'd be happy to address any questions or concerns you may have while your vehicle is being serviced.
Lydia,
Fiat Social Care Specialist

lanssolo
08-17-2018, 07:54 PM
Yeah the Fiat Dealerhip in my area lifted my 2017 Abarth wrong, dented the body below the sills, and replaced the sills. Now the NEW sills are peeling away and the paint match (Rosso! Really?!) was terrible. They have been total jerks about it, too. I feel like I have no recourse and no one is listening. Meanwhile, I guess it's a widespread issue. :(

Sneezy XL
09-05-2018, 04:53 PM
Old thread but I didn't resurrect it so might as well join the party. Got my 2015 a month or so ago and it has the same problem, front left and right skirts are peeling away from the body. I took it into local dealership as they said it was under warranty a week ago. It's been a week and the left skirt is peeling off just as bad as before and looks worse given they didn't remove whatever old double sided adhesive was originally on there, they just slapped more on and called it a day. They also mentioned something about the procedure to correct the problem Calls for paint touch-up which is not covered under warranty. This is a manufacturer defect and as such should be fully covered under warranty. I'll update after I take it back in.

Boese Ritter
10-19-2018, 06:22 PM
Glad I looked for a thread.

2014 Abarth, left side skirt. Dealership said it's out of warranty.

Serious Question (especially after I see I am on page 30 of this thread): When does it becomes Class Action?

Do we have any lawyers monitoring this thread?

Southernroadrunner
12-21-2018, 01:15 AM
So reviving an old thread. I think the front of the right side skirt is becoming to get loose. Mines a 2017. How long do they warranty this. Having had it quite a year yet. Guess it's still a problem on some of our cars. Anyone know how long they warranty this

orlin
12-21-2018, 02:46 AM
So reviving an old thread. I think the front of the right side skirt is becoming to get loose. Mines a 2017. How long do they warranty this. Having had it quite a year yet. Guess it's still a problem on some of our cars. Anyone know how long they warranty this

According to my local dealer, 4 years.

Southernroadrunner
12-24-2018, 12:46 AM
So here's an old thread on side skirt separation.This goes back to comments on the 2012 models. Now mine is a 2017. How is it that FCA still hasnt corrected this issue. I see it all the time still about side skirt separation. Mines starting on the right front top. Cannot believe they haven't come up with a way to get rid of this issue. 5 years and the cars still have this issue.

tvmaster
04-17-2019, 07:27 PM
The local dealer incorrectly lifted my lovely new Abarth today, and now, both body skirts / sills peeling away from the body. Do I have to check and see if they bent the frame as well? Anyone have a good picture of a bent frame?
I guess there’s a reason FCA is struggling - dreadful respect for their clients hard-earned money.
Over to you, FIAT Cares.

tvmaster
04-18-2019, 11:17 AM
Yeah the Fiat Dealerhip in my area lifted my 2017 Abarth wrong, dented the body below the sills, and replaced the sills. Now the NEW sills are peeling away and the paint match (Rosso! Really?!) was terrible. They have been total jerks about it, too. I feel like I have no recourse and no one is listening. Meanwhile, I guess it's a widespread issue. :(
Did you ever take any photos of what the 'dented' body looked like? Did anyone from FIAT customer service offer any help?

tvmaster
04-20-2019, 12:54 PM
Yeah the Fiat Dealerhip in my area lifted my 2017 Abarth wrong, dented the body below the sills, and replaced the sills. Now the NEW sills are peeling away and the paint match (Rosso! Really?!) was terrible. They have been total jerks about it, too. I feel like I have no recourse and no one is listening. Meanwhile, I guess it's a widespread issue. :(

Did you take photos of those 'dents'? I'd like to compare them to the photos of my Abarth, also damaged this week by improper dealership lifting techniques. First pic is of undamaged body panel just behind front left wheel. Second pic show where improper lift was done, and the third pic is a close up to show just how crushed the body was, no doubt why the side skirt just popped off. I assume for the skirt to once again sit properly on the body, will this metal need to be repaired?
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mattsnapz
04-21-2019, 07:45 AM
omfg this is such an avoidable issue, only due to incompetence & lack of basic knowledge. im currently looking for a 'new to me' abarth & one of the first things i do is lay on the ground with my phones flashlight & check how its been lifted.

makes me ill to think i could take my fiat somewhere to have basic work carried out, & it gets returned to me with damage caused by the people you pay to look after your car.

so very frustrating, but with a niche car comes possible issues that the masses arent aware of.

Quest
09-18-2019, 05:25 PM
My issue started when my mechanic put my 2013 Fiat 500 Abarth on a lift and damaged both of my side skirts which also caused them to separate. He attempted to reseal them but did a poor job.

I repaired them using 3M Auto Super Strength Molding Tape (Part 03614), but it's already separating in one area since I believe the body might have been damaged on the lift, causing the side skirt not to hold properly. If the separating gets worse, I will attempt to use U-Pol Tiger Seal per many suggestions I have read on other forums. I could really use the clips that are needed on the sides and bottoms of the skirts, but I can't seem to find the part numbers anywhere.

Does anyone know what part numbers these clips/ grommets are?

Here are some pics of the separation:
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Here is my attempted fix (micro fiber towels/ wood/ car jacks):
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tvmaster
09-18-2019, 05:31 PM
You’d best try and get the car up on a lift, properly, and look underneath. If the same thing happened to you that happened to me, the dealer crushed the door panels, so nothing was going to stick properly. A body shop had to go back to square one to fix everything properly. If it had been out of pocket, it would have cost over $2k.
Better raise it up and look.

Saponetta
09-18-2019, 05:58 PM
Dude? What do you have going on there? Is that excess adhesive? It looks more like a ghetto bondo job crumbling apart than a seperate panel separating from body.

smark
09-18-2019, 06:20 PM
My issue started when my mechanic put my 2013 Fiat 500 Abarth on a lift and damaged both of my side skirts which also caused them to separate. He attempted to reseal them but did a poor job.

I repaired them using 3M Auto Super Strength Molding Tape (Part 03614), but it's already separating in one area since I believe the body might have been damaged on the lift, causing the side skirt not to hold properly. If the separating gets worse, I will attempt to use U-Pol Tiger Seal per many suggestions I have read on other forums. I could really use the clips that are needed on the sides and bottoms of the skirts, but I can't seem to find the part numbers anywhere.

Does anyone know what part numbers these clips/ grommets are?

Here are some pics of the separation:
3507635077

Here is my attempted fix (micro fiber towels/ wood/ car jacks):
3507835079

I like the use of the the scissors jacks your using for pressure.

pmendoza502
09-19-2019, 02:19 PM
This will happen over and over if the shop you take it to doesnt lift the car properly.

Also, your best bet to get them back attached is a heat gun and a high strength outdoor double sided tape.

Im working on a more permanent solution involving drilling and screwing the edge of the skirt to somewhere in the fender area...