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SLOABARTH
06-12-2012, 02:47 PM
Hi all,

I am trying to find out the weight of factory forged wheel (option) without the tire.
I am too lazy to get the tire dismounted and weigh it on my own.
I tried to find the info by searching the Fiat website and by Googling it, but no luck so far.
If you know the weight of it please post it here or send me the info via private message.
Thank you.

Fiat500USA
06-12-2012, 03:44 PM
"These 17 inch wheels are forged aluminum alloy for lightness and track strength and weigh in at 18.9 lbs compared to 18.3 lbs for the standard 16 inch wheels."

Taken from my review here. (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/03/2012-fiat-500-abarth-review.html)

Plainsman
06-12-2012, 03:46 PM
SLO,

According to Tire Rack, the 17" P-zero nero tire, sized 205/40ZR17 weighs 19 lbs. Just weigh your current wheel tire combination and subtract the tire weight of 19 lbs. and viola.

Regards,
The Plainsman



Hi all,

I am trying to find out the weight of factory forged wheel (option) without the tire.
I am too lazy to get the tire dismounted and weigh it on my own.
I tried to find the info by searching the Fiat website and by Googling it, but no luck so far.
If you know the weight of it please post it here or send me the info via private message.
Thank you.

davidjon_99
06-12-2012, 03:47 PM
Got a PDF from the studio shortly after I placed my order. Here is a screen shot from that PDF.

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SLOABARTH
06-12-2012, 09:04 PM
SLO,

According to Tire Rack, the 17" P-zero nero tire, sized 205/40ZR17 weighs 19 lbs. Just weigh your current wheel tire combination and subtract the tire weight of 19 lbs. and viola.

Regards,
The Plainsman

Thanks for info.

SLOABARTH
06-12-2012, 09:06 PM
Got a PDF from the studio shortly after I placed my order. Here is a screen shot from that PDF.

2490

Thanks.
I should be paying more attention to the paperwork.... I never do.

SLOABARTH
06-12-2012, 09:13 PM
"These 17 inch wheels are forged aluminum alloy for lightness and track strength and weigh in at 18.9 lbs compared to 18.3 lbs for the standard 16 inch wheels."

Taken from my review here. (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/03/2012-fiat-500-abarth-review.html)

Thanks for the info. I have been trying to come up with a set of track wheels. The factory wheels are nice, but at 18.9lbs that is a bit on the heavier side. OZ HLT wheels are very light as well as good looking, but they are not forged and I bent them before.... I may have to try the Enkei Racing series wheels. I really like the Neez Eurocross forged series wheels since they are 17 x 7.5, but they are very pricey (over $1000 each) and not much lighter (17.4lbs).
Searching for that ultimate light weight forged wheels.... Not an easy task since it's 4 bolt pattern....

nsorens
06-12-2012, 09:29 PM
Why not go with a 16" wheel? Given the same material and design the 16" will always be lighter and stronger than the 17" due to it's geometry. The 16x45 sidewall will absorb more shock to the wheel further protecting it from damage.
Plus 16" tires are lighter than 17" tires.

SLOABARTH
06-12-2012, 09:36 PM
Why not go with a 16" wheel? Given the same material and design the 16" will always be lighter and stronger than the 17" due to it's geometry. The 16x45 sidewall will absorb more shock to the wheel further protecting it from damage.
Plus 16" tires are lighter than 17" tires.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I am looking into 16" wheels. :friendly_wink:
I did the same on my Lotuses. They came with the 16s front and 17s on the rear. We tried the 16s all way around and 15F and 16R. For the track use less unsprung weight is better and it is nice to have a bit of sidewall for sure.

Pinecone
06-13-2012, 09:16 AM
Unless you are racing, what is the big deal?

So you are a few tenths slower per lap, big deal.

SLOABARTH
06-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Well, it looks like the 16" wheels won't work since I have the big Brembo brakes on the front.... I forgot about that. Still checking to make sure, but it does not look good.

SLOABARTH
06-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Unless you are racing, what is the big deal?

So you are a few tenths slower per lap, big deal.

Then why bother modifying the car? It is a great car as is...... :friendly_wink:

Pinecone
06-13-2012, 01:49 PM
Some mods make a huge difference in the handling.

Lighter wheels make a very small change.

SLOABARTH
06-13-2012, 04:54 PM
Some mods make a huge difference in the handling.

Lighter wheels make a very small change.

But I like the lighter wheels, and it is a personal choice. Most of all it's my money and I am going to spend on what I want (just saying it in a friendly manner):friendly_wink:

stealthy1ss
06-13-2012, 06:46 PM
IMO Brembo's on this car are not needed. This weekend I ran my car on Road America completely stock and I had no problems stopping at all. With R-comps and some track pads on the stock brakes will be more than enough and it would allow you to run a 15" wheel which then gives you more of a tire choice. Here is what I think can happen without brembo's after tracking the car at Road America.


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/stealthy1ss/547159_10150879662819087_442424960_n.jpg

L8apex
06-13-2012, 07:25 PM
IMO Brembo's on this car are not needed. This weekend I ran my car on Road America completely stock and I had no problems stopping at all. With R-comps and some track pads on the stock brakes will be more than enough and it would allow you to run a 15" wheel which then gives you more of a tire choice. Here is what I think can happen without brembo's after tracking the car at Road America.


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/stealthy1ss/547159_10150879662819087_442424960_n.jpg

uh what happened there?!

Setup info please.

Pinecone
06-13-2012, 08:02 PM
But I like the lighter wheels, and it is a personal choice. Most of all it's my money and I am going to spend on what I want (just saying it in a friendly manner):friendly_wink:

That is always your choice.

I just like to give people all the information to make an informed choice.

I prefer to go for bang for the buck. And function over form. For the same money, I can get more performance gain from other things. But that is my choice.

stealthy1ss
06-13-2012, 08:04 PM
I have no clue what the setup is. Looks like that car has brembo's on it but on the track you don't want it to lift like that. I still think this is also obtainable with track pads. It would be worth looking into getting custom 15" wheels with some nice rubber on them.

SLOABARTH
06-13-2012, 10:21 PM
I have no clue what the setup is. Looks like that car has brembo's on it but on the track you don't want it to lift like that. I still think this is also obtainable with track pads. It would be worth looking into getting custom 15" wheels with some nice rubber on them.

There are some great 15" high performance wheels (4x100) available for Lotus cars. Perhaps you should look into them. Some of them may work on Abarth:friendly_wink:

SLOABARTH
06-13-2012, 10:23 PM
uh what happened there?!

Setup info please.

Yes, that can happen without the brake bias valve. That is why I am installing them on my car.
I had the brake bias valves installed on my heavily modified Lotus Exige 240S with upgraded AP Racing front brakes since my track buddies had some braking balance issues and it worked very well and eliminated the similar problem from happening on my car.
The stock brake set up on Abarth is a very good setup for an OE brake, but I just could not leave it alone. The spirit of Karl Abarth came to me while I was sleep and dreaming he said to me "the Abarth cars are met to be modified"....well enough for the BS, but the parts are available from Abarth (Europe) and they are widely used in Europe and Asia.

nsorens
06-13-2012, 10:55 PM
That is always your choice.

I just like to give people all the information to make an informed choice.

I prefer to go for bang for the buck. And function over form. For the same money, I can get more performance gain from other things. But that is my choice.

Looking forward to reading about your bang for buck performance mods...

GileraWarren
06-14-2012, 09:20 AM
Just FYI I just weighed my TEAM DYNAMICS - PRO RACE 1.2 - 17x7 wheels and they weigh 17.5 lb just out of curiosity I had a spare bent wheel around off of my wife's 07 Mazda 3S which is 17x6.5 aluminum. It weighed 21.5 lb

Pinecone
06-14-2012, 09:28 AM
Brake bias valve should not be required with ABS. The ABS should prevent one end locking before the other, as it prevents any locking. :)

And that is not from brake bias. That is from a LOT of traction from the front wheels, coupled with a high center of gravity.

davidjon_99
06-14-2012, 01:07 PM
IMO Brembo's on this car are not needed. This weekend I ran my car on Road America completely stock and I had no problems stopping at all. With R-comps and some track pads on the stock brakes will be more than enough and it would allow you to run a 15" wheel which then gives you more of a tire choice. Here is what I think can happen without brembo's after tracking the car at Road America.


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/stealthy1ss/547159_10150879662819087_442424960_n.jpg

What people don't realize is that the guy was actually in reverse and floored it. :) Obviously he either has the MM or TMC box and a CAI. Maybe even lighter wheels. (j/k)

SLOABARTH
06-14-2012, 01:35 PM
What people don't realize is that the guy was actually in reverse and floored it. :) Obviously he either has the MM or TMC box and a CAI. Maybe even lighter wheels. (j/k)

Very cool!! just don't want to be in the car...

Plainsman
06-14-2012, 03:01 PM
Photo caption: "Honey, I told you that your mother should have sat in the back seat. I don't care how much more leg room is up here......"


What people don't realize is that the guy was actually in reverse and floored it. :) Obviously he either has the MM or TMC box and a CAI. Maybe even lighter wheels. (j/k)

Crazy Otto
08-16-2012, 01:10 PM
Some mods make a huge difference in the handling.

Lighter wheels make a very small change.

lowering unsprung weight is always a good thing for suspension compliance. the reduced inertia also allows faster accel; the abarth is not exactly a z06. I have my eye on the 17x7 OZ allegaritas. 14 lbs!

squeeze
01-30-2013, 11:51 AM
drag coefficient with 16" wheels is also lower than the 17's, at least for OE wheels.

I like the idea of lighter too, but...just sayin'!