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Fiat500USA
10-29-2011, 12:10 AM
500 Abarth...... Monday....... keep your eyes open...... ;)

sjmst
10-29-2011, 08:38 AM
500 Abarth...... Monday....... keep your eyes open...... ;)
WHAT? A reason to look forward to Monday!

Fiat500USA
10-29-2011, 09:10 AM
WHAT? A reason to look forward to Monday!

HAHA... I never looked at it like that! Yes, can't say much about it....

Jeepnut
10-29-2011, 03:38 PM
You have my attention sir!!!!

Bruce Winter
10-29-2011, 05:40 PM
I cannot wait. Hopefully the Abarth 500c!

cmj912
10-29-2011, 07:09 PM
I'm excited and I'm not even buying one. :)

Well, not for a few years or until I move out of the high-dollar insurance zone anyway.

Thad
10-31-2011, 07:53 AM
I just read a report that conformed what I heard a few months ago. The USA Abarth will be 135hp. That ain't gonna cut it unless the price point is low.
-Thad

txdesign
10-31-2011, 09:18 AM
Scooped by autoblog.com

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/10/31/fiat-500-abarth-finally-lands-in-the-u-s-w-video/

Chris
10-31-2011, 09:42 AM
Not really a scoop as that relates everything we already knew ;)

I do get the feeling that that 130-ish will be right and that they will anything higher for the EssEss... if we ever get it. A 30% boost would be welcome but not enough to get me to trade across for it.

MrFiat
10-31-2011, 11:05 AM
:hopelessness: It's ABARTH MONDAY and we all wait with eager anticipation for our intrepid leader to spill the beans! :eagerness: LOL !!

Chris
10-31-2011, 03:19 PM
http://www.insideline.com/fiat/500/2012/2012-fiat-500-abarth-to-debut-at-2011-los-angeles-auto-show.html

Seemingly confirmed: 135HP

SeaDawg
10-31-2011, 03:25 PM
http://www.insideline.com/fiat/500/2012/2012-fiat-500-abarth-to-debut-at-2011-los-angeles-auto-show.html

Seemingly confirmed: 135HP

I guess I read that somewhat differently: "In Europe, the engine delivers 135 horsepower and 221 pound-feet of torque. Fiat says the Abarth will also feature a retuned suspension and upgraded brakes."

The key words to me are 'In Europe'...it does NOT say the US version WILL have 135 HP.

I love pizza
10-31-2011, 03:44 PM
Yeah 130-135hp would kill the deal for me. As a former Mini owner (R53 first gen), I gave the new Mini Coupe S a try this past weekend and was flat out blown away. I'll hold out for what the official announcement is because Fiat would be my #1 choice, but Fiat has to impress me and only 200hp will do it. The only thing thats holding me back from going Mini right now is the price, to spec it out they way I want it will be $36K and I figure a fully loaded Abarth will be $10k less.

grapefish
10-31-2011, 03:48 PM
The Cooper S has 135 HP/ton; a 500 with the esseesse spec engine (160 HP) would match that almost exactly, so that's what I've been hoping for.

That said, any version of the 1.4 turbo would likely be pretty tunable, so if it shipped with 135 it wouldn't necessarily have to stay that way. It wouldn't in my car. =)

SeaDawg
10-31-2011, 03:58 PM
I'll hold out for what the official announcement is because Fiat would be my #1 choice, but Fiat has to impress me and only 200hp will do it. The only thing thats holding me back from going Mini right now is the price, to spec it out they way I want it will be $36K and I figure a fully loaded Abarth will be $10k less.

Think you'll be disappointed if you are waiting for 200 HP. I'd put my money with the Moderator for 170-175 HP. I'm over 30 years past (and I was over 30 then) the days when I would drool over the '79 Pontiac Trans Am with the 400 cubic inch (remember when they actually used to use cubic inches?) engine, 4 speed, T-tops (I guess some cars still use them) that I had to have. It was a beast. On a personal note; nowadays I could make a lot of compromises to save $10,000.00.

Chris
10-31-2011, 04:29 PM
I guess I read that somewhat differently: "In Europe, the engine delivers 135 horsepower and 221 pound-feet of torque. Fiat says the Abarth will also feature a retuned suspension and upgraded brakes."

The key words to me are 'In Europe'...it does NOT say the US version WILL have 135 HP.

Thanks for that- totally missed it when I read it.

Jeepnut
10-31-2011, 04:40 PM
Let's wait and see what the official word is. I'm guessing more than 135hp with an esse esse kit with 170+

SeaDawg
10-31-2011, 05:42 PM
Let's wait and see what the official word is. I'm guessing more than 135hp with an esse esse kit with 170+

Party pooper!:devilish:

shagghie
10-31-2011, 05:58 PM
Fiat have already announced and publicly confirmed that US-Spect Abarth will be 170HP.
At one point, dealers were being told 185HP. But that has changed to 175HP.

There's no way Fiat would recant at this stage. Whomever set up this "press kit" with the black abarth car photos, is up to no good and must be part of some negative publicity campaign ahead of Nov 16th. Fiat N.A. would not release inaccurate information like this.

EDIT: I changed the number to 170HP, which is what that original Italian FIAT press release was earlier this month. Only source I can find as I sit here now though, is: http://www.fiat500usa.com/2010/01/us-fiat-500-abarthhow-much-horsepower.html

EugeneS
10-31-2011, 06:09 PM
Fiat have already announced and publicly confirmed that US-Spect Abarth will be 175HP.
At one point, dealers were being told 185HP. But that has changed to 175HP.

There's no way Fiat would recant at this stage. Whomever set up this "press kit" with the black abarth car photos, is up to no good and must be part of some negative publicity campaign ahead of Nov 16th. Fiat N.A. would not release inaccurate information like this.

175HP is the official, confirmed number.

Hi shagghie, do you have the source where you read about 175HP? I think the actual HP number was and still is unknown ... Hope you are right though... ;)

I love pizza
10-31-2011, 06:22 PM
Think you'll be disappointed if you are waiting for 200 HP. I'd put my money with the Moderator for 170-175 HP. I'm over 30 years past (and I was over 30 then) the days when I would drool over the '79 Pontiac Trans Am with the 400 cubic inch (remember when they actually used to use cubic inches?) engine, 4 speed, T-tops (I guess some cars still use them) that I had to have. It was a beast. On a personal note; nowadays I could make a lot of compromises to save $10,000.00.

I hear ya. Money is now a factor for me too. In the past decade I went from a modded B5 Audi S4 with 420hp, a Mini Cooper S, Golf R32 with $10k in suspension and rims and now a 1995 C-Class used Benz. The sole reason for the downward trend in my gusto for splurging on cars is my maturity and the economy. I'm now looking for best bang for my buck and the Abarth will likely hit all the right buttons. Now if this 175hp number is right with a strong hope for a dealer installed kit for 200hp for mid $20k, it will be hard to pass up.

shagghie
10-31-2011, 06:25 PM
Gosh, now I can't find the earlier release. But the release was only in the Italian press, and from FIAT (Not Chrysler). And, it may have been 170hp now that I think about it.

I did check Chrysler's official press page though, and sure enough, there is NO mention of HP either way:

http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=11680&mid=279

The engine tuning for US Spec Abarth is different from European tuning altogether. This is being branded as a completely 'new engine' spec....

Hope this helps and if I can find the earlier release from Italian press, I will. I had to use Google translate the first time to find it....

shagghie
10-31-2011, 06:29 PM
Weird, I replied but it never posted. Long story short... the original announcement was in Italian and I used Google Translator to be able to read it. It was earlier this month.
It was a FIAT announcement, as opposed to a Chrysler one, if that helps. In the mean time, I did check Chrysler's official press page to discover NO mention of HP figures either way:
http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=11680&mid=279

And...now that I think about it, it may have been 170hp, vice 175hp (I got confused with the 185hp figure that was brandied about earlier on).

Either way 170 hits the spot!

shagghie
10-31-2011, 06:41 PM
Here is one news post that is related, FWIW. They have been 100% reliable to date with their news...

http://www.fiat500usa.com/2010/01/us-fiat-500-abarthhow-much-horsepower.html

170hp/170tq

shagghie
10-31-2011, 07:07 PM
Official Chrysler Press Release (note, it does NOT mention any HP figures....):
http://media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=11680&mid=279

I love pizza
11-01-2011, 12:13 AM
Automotive News says 160hp

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111031/OEM04/111039995/1306

MrFiat
11-01-2011, 09:28 AM
Automotive News says 160hp

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111031/OEM04/111039995/1306
Thanks for finding this article. Great catch. The article is pretty specific, so it does appear that the writer had access to some "inside" information. Our Admin (whose ethics I completely trust) had some earlier comments about media confidentiality and trust. These may well have been broken here since the "top-secret" Abarth specs were supposed to be disclosed at the LA auto show a couple of weeks from now. Perhaps that's why we haven't heard anything official from the site admin up to now. For what it's worth, If that's the case, I highly approve. So, as to the article, it may be true, maybe not. Sorry, I'm a die-hard skeptic. When I hear it direct from Fiat, or official sources here , then I'll believe it. Until then ----
On a different and speculative note, IF 160 HP is indeed the magic number, our new Abarth should be a pretty spectacular performer. My '03 Civic Si was insanely quick. It had 160 HP also but that 160 was trying to move 2,744 pounds of car, a power/weight ratio of a little over 17 lbs/hp. As the 500 Abarth should have a similar weight to the existing 500, it's power/.weight should be about 13 lbs/hp. A considerably better number than my old Civic Si. There's good and then there's good-enough. My guess is that 160 will do the job quite nicely. IMHO
For those wanting still more power, (myself included) it is entirely in keeping with the Abarth philosophy to add aftermarket improvements to get greater performance and speed. Sr. Abarth built his company on this principle. If Fiat keeps the new Abarth true to it's heritage, (and I think they will), we can look forward to the availability of lots of aftermarket performance items. Whatever the final hp number turns out to be, I think we can look forward to seeing a whole host of 200+ Hp Abarths put together by die-hard motorheads like you and me. I'm off to make space in the garage to get ready for the upgrades. The excitement builds !!! :encouragement:

grapefish
11-01-2011, 10:31 AM
As the 500 Abarth should have a similar weight to the existing 500, it's power/.weight should be about 13 lbs/hp.

Assuming 2363 lbs. (which is the most common figure online), 160 HP would be 135.42 HP/ton, or 14.75 lbs./HP if you prefer.

I consider anything under 15 (over 133 HP/ton, the way I think of it) good. Of course, under 10 (over 200/ton) is better. That was supercar-only territory until the last few years, in fact. It's amazing you can get cars there with just a few tweaks these days.

It's interesting that the 160HP figure puts the HP/ton almost exactly equal to the Cooper S. I think the 500A will track slightly better since it's lighter, and at equivalent power-to-weight I'll always choose the lighter car since (all things being equal) turn-in, braking, etc. will all be better. All things are never equal, though, naturally.

For those interested, to hit that "magic" 200 HP/ton (10 lbs./hp) your 500 will need 236 horsepower. Once I land my ABARTH, that's my target. =)

MrFiat
11-01-2011, 11:22 AM
Assuming 2363 lbs. (which is the most common figure online), 160 HP would be 135.42 HP/ton, or 14.75 lbs./HP if you prefer.

Point well taken. I had over-optimistically used a weight of something under 2200 lbs. After reading your post, I checked the numbers on my title and registration and found that your numbers are much closer to reality. My 500 is actually registered at 2414. I really didn't think it weighed that much ! (It's probably that doggone spare tire !:stupid:) ... lol ... :apologetic:

Fiat500USA
11-02-2011, 09:19 AM
Hi all!

Well, I'm back. The huge storm that hit the Northeast put me (and about 80,000 others in my area) out of commission over the weekend and I finally got online late last night. My apologies on missing Monday. After all these years waiting to bring you that story, it was a big disappointment for me. OH WELL...

Anyway, that press release was sent to me by Fiat on Friday and embargoed until Monday, Oct 31 at 12:01 AM. It is an official release. However, most who follow the Fiat500USA Blog know all the background on the car and have seen all the pictures except for the two new images of the black 500 Abarth, so there is not much that is new. The video is cool, although they spelt Abarth incorrectly. LOL.

MrFiat
11-02-2011, 01:13 PM
After all these years waiting to bring you that story, it was a big disappointment for me.
Anyway, that press release was sent to me by Fiat on Friday and embargoed until Monday, Oct 31 at 12:01 AM. It is an official release.

Hey Boss, Welcome back. We were getting worried that you might have been abducted by a band of Mini Cooper fanatics just to stop you from announcing Abarth Monday ! :cower: --lol -- Really sorry you got "scooped". I know how much you looked forward to breaking the news, but don't feel too bad. There's good news, too. The Abarth story is just getting started again and thanks to you all of us here at the forum have a front row seat for the show. There's Much more to come and Fiat500USA will be here front and center carrying the flag. :applause:

lirandy
11-02-2011, 03:48 PM
I cannot wait. Hopefully the Abarth 500c!

Same here!!!

Jeepnut
11-02-2011, 03:52 PM
Hi all!

Well, I'm back. The huge storm that hit the Northeast put me (and about 80,000 others in my area) out of commission over the weekend and I finally got online late last night. My apologies on missing Monday. After all these years waiting to bring you that story, it was a big disappointment for me. OH WELL...

Anyway, that press release was sent to me by Fiat on Friday and embargoed until Monday, Oct 31 at 12:01 AM. It is an official release. However, most who follow the Fiat500USA Blog know all the background on the car and have seen all the pictures except for the two new images of the black 500 Abarth, so there is not much that is new. The video is cool, although they spelt Abarth incorrectly. LOL.
I figured you were having power issues. Allpar.com's head man Dave has been dealing with the same issue and is literally posting from an inverter hooked to his car. We shall see the HP numbers very soon.