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panther76
07-06-2012, 09:39 PM
I'm certainly NOT complaining, but I have no idea how you can do much city driving or even what I call boulevard driving and get that kind of gas mileage. I get low to mid 30's using Premium 93 Octane. I have 205/40 17's and lowering springs, but got the same mileage with the stock Sport springs and 195/45 16 Pirellis'.

the city driving is only 15%. the rest is what i call light suburban and rural. pretty ideal for high mpg's.

Paris11
07-06-2012, 10:05 PM
Thanks again. Contacted Fiat North America today. One more trip to Fiat service-if no resolve Im gonna petition for a replacement car. Can't be real mileage...just has to be something wrong with this car. Ill post updates! peace

Paris11
07-06-2012, 10:12 PM
I've spoken to one other Fiat owner in neighborhood-he was very dissatisfied with his 21mpg city....I laughed....21 would be brilliant! Ive watched the instant readout-and done everything short of pushing car from behind to raise mileage-nothing works. I may stop another Fiat owner and see what numbers are-IF I talk to a few in town with similar mileage-I guess it's just this car is a gas HOG in stop and go traffic........who knows thanks! 350 miles with my 27hwy mpgs-hmm? thatd be a pretty penny LOL

Paris11
07-08-2012, 06:41 PM
UPDATE-filled Fiat yesterday with regular unleaded, since gas mileage has been pathetic anyway.....avg city mpg's shot up to 21.1 by days end? WTF? never had 21 city before in 10K miles!!!!! .....Im starting to believe my car has demons......will update at end of tank......

luckymoi
07-09-2012, 01:33 PM
Hey kid, get off. The sauce!

Leotxn
07-09-2012, 02:45 PM
Averaged 34.6mpg in my Abarth for the whole vacation driving from Texas to NY and back. Mixture of highway and mtn driving. Very satisfied with my mileage and performance.

swinter
07-12-2012, 07:57 PM
still in my break in period. mostly local driving. getting over 30mpg so far.

Sterling_Aug
07-12-2012, 09:07 PM
My 500 Sport automatic is showing 41.2 MPG average now on this last tank of regular unleaded. The tips in the Eco Drive tutorial is paying off. Now I am waiting on my CAI to get here so I can bump up the MPG again.

Sterling_Aug
07-13-2012, 06:09 PM
New average MPG is showing 42.1 for the last 550 miles.

Paris11
07-14-2012, 11:17 AM
after one day fluke of 21 mpg-went right back to 14-17mpg city.....no driving change
no response from Fiat of N america
thanks for the positive suggestions

Mr. Pickles
07-14-2012, 04:26 PM
Low 50s on my last tank. That is with Mobil one fuel efficiency oil 0w-30 with my tire @40psi. I'm coasting down hills, no stop and go between 45 and 55 mph. No ac. My car is lowered 2 inches but has 17 inch wheels. My usual with mixed city is 42-44

Sterling_Aug
07-17-2012, 04:15 PM
My latest tank of gas is showing 43.8 MPG after 230 miles.

Sterling_Aug
07-23-2012, 06:17 PM
Since putting the short ram air intake on my 500 on Saturday, my avg MPG is showing 46.3 MPG for 103 miles.

Nice improvement.

1959 Chrysler Imperial
08-09-2012, 07:20 AM
My drive to work is 54 miles so I put on at least 108 miles a day. I have two trip setting now. Trip "B" is at about 2300 miles and I am getting 48.5 miles per gallon. Trip "A" is at about 600 miles and I am getting 52.7 mpg.
I have the 5 speed transmission so I do a lot of coasting in neutral.

pxpaulx
08-09-2012, 11:59 AM
I have the 5 speed transmission so I do a lot of coasting in neutral.

I used to do that a lot too, but from what I've read the car actually uses less gas if you leave it in gear and take your foot off the pedal. I guess if you're going at higher speeds and deliberately shifting to neutral it might be a wash, but I've also read that leaving it in neutral can wear out the clutch sooner. Those are some impressive numbers!

SeaDawg
08-09-2012, 12:27 PM
My drive to work is 54 miles so I put on at least 108 miles a day. I have two trip setting now. Trip "B" is at about 2300 miles and I am getting 48.5 miles per gallon. Trip "A" is at about 600 miles and I am getting 52.7 mpg.
I have the 5 speed transmission so I do a lot of coasting in neutral.

You ought to coast IN GEAR. The electronics shut off fuel when coasting in gear so the wheels are driving the engine....don't believe it, try putting the EVIC on instantaneous MPG and do some experimenting.

pxpaulx
08-09-2012, 01:58 PM
You ought to coast IN GEAR. The electronics shut off fuel when coasting in gear so the wheels are driving the engine....don't believe it, try putting the EVIC on instantaneous MPG and do some experimenting.

What he said! I've done the experiments. If you decelerate slowly in neutral, you'll notice once you hit around 20mph the instant mpg readout go down. If you decelerate by gearing down gradually however, the car will continue to remain at no readout --:-- as slow as you can go before stopping.

luckymoi
08-09-2012, 02:04 PM
Well I shaved this morning and my auto/cabrio gas mileage has improved.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY but its true
I gassed up and reset B and came up to the studio ... got 40.0 .. yes an automatic.
Usually this trip is around 34-35 mpg but today its was forty!
Well that is 99% freeway but still, 40!
Oh, I shaved not my face but set the cruise control to 65 instead of 70 and AC was on as usual.
So shaving 5 MPH gave a surprise!
Maybe there was a tailwind too!
LOL.

Leasdaddy
08-18-2012, 09:40 PM
I have a stock Sport with a manual, and commute 70 miles a day, with a bit of suburban, town-type driving thrown in. I have been tracking mileage manually since day one, and I have never gotten below 37 mpg. I have averaged as much as 41.5 mpg on a tank. I run the ac plenty, and I get tired of the Eco:Drive program busting my chops for shifting and acceleration, but it is fun to try to improve my eco score. The trip computer usually is 1-2 mpg optimistic compared to calculating mpg the old fashioned way.

Golfaholica
11-21-2012, 02:46 PM
Almost 6 months of owing this car. UNIMPRESSED GAS MILEAGE with automatic
Driving locally in Los Angeles, not really a stop and go but drive 3 - 4 miles each day back and forth to work.
For the car this size, small engine and the horsepower. This car is really bad on gas I would say.


Date Total Miles Miles Ran Price / Gallon Gallons Total Price MPG
19-May 6 $- 19.67
5-Jun 189 183 4.359 9.30 $40.56 21.23
23-Jun 404 215 3.999 10.13 $40.51 24.64
6-Jul 641 237 3.899 9.62 $37.50 26.85
17-Jul 900 259 3.939 9.65 $38.00 24.97
25-Jul 1129 229 4.059 9.17 $37.22 23.69
6-Aug 1341 212 4.059 8.95 $36.32 26.99
2-Sep 1569 228 4.309 8.45 $36.40 22.06
18-Sep 1782 213 4.369 9.66 $42.18 24.29
27-Sep 2016 234 4.339 9.63 $41.80 23.38
10-Oct 2230 214 4.959 9.15 $45.39 27.00
15-Oct 2327 97 4.899 3.59 $17.60 21.55
1-Nov 2546 219 4.199 10.16 $42.67 24.52

panther76
11-25-2012, 08:44 AM
42.7 on my last tank. there has definitely been a bit of a downward trend with the winter gas and now colder temps.

https://www.fuelly.com/driver/panther76/500-1?fu=3482487

ruben
12-03-2012, 10:20 PM
Almost 6 months of owing this car. UNIMPRESSED GAS MILEAGE with automatic
Driving locally in Los Angeles, not really a stop and go but drive 3 - 4 miles each day back and forth to work.
For the car this size, small engine and the horsepower. This car is really bad on gas I would say.


Date Total Miles Miles Ran Price / Gallon Gallons Total Price MPG
19-May 6 $- 19.67
5-Jun 189 183 4.359 9.30 $40.56 21.23
23-Jun 404 215 3.999 10.13 $40.51 24.64
6-Jul 641 237 3.899 9.62 $37.50 26.85
17-Jul 900 259 3.939 9.65 $38.00 24.97
25-Jul 1129 229 4.059 9.17 $37.22 23.69
6-Aug 1341 212 4.059 8.95 $36.32 26.99
2-Sep 1569 228 4.309 8.45 $36.40 22.06
18-Sep 1782 213 4.369 9.66 $42.18 24.29
27-Sep 2016 234 4.339 9.63 $41.80 23.38
10-Oct 2230 214 4.959 9.15 $45.39 27.00
15-Oct 2327 97 4.899 3.59 $17.60 21.55
1-Nov 2546 219 4.199 10.16 $42.67 24.52

3 to 4 miles? your car probably isnt even getting to operating temp by the time you reach destination. cold block = horrible mileage.

italianblend
12-04-2012, 12:07 PM
still in my break in period. mostly local driving. getting over 30mpg so far.

Is there a break-in period? Because I just leased mine a week ago and it's showing an average of 31. I want it to be higher. =( I used mid-grade gas.

I have lots of hills though...I'm sure that's not good. And it's an automatic... maybe I should shift down or something.

satural
12-11-2012, 07:44 PM
To all of you who complain on fuel consumption:
Do you know what is a real mileage when you stop the car with engine running on idle (eg. in traffic jam or before lights)?
The correct answer is 0 mpg. I am serious.
It is nothing wrong with the car - it is just mathematics. After several ours of idling every car will use all fuel from tank without moving an inch - therefore the result will be 0 mpg.

Mpg measure is not suitable and was not designed for machines that ara no (or slow) moving. For such machines (like agriculture or other machinery) producers use "work hour per gallon" or similar measures.

Therfore when your trip is combined of half time standing with engine running (0 mpg) and half time driving in normal city conditions (30 mpg) you will get on average 15 mpg (more or less, assuming higher engine efficiency at mid revs is compensating for bigger work to be done than on idle).

500
12-19-2012, 05:52 PM
34.0mpg across the first ~8 gallons. I'm not sure what the dealer put in the tank, but I filled up with 91 octane premium. $25 fill-ups rock! I'd call my driving brisk, and it's mostly city w/ the stick. :)

Vaejovis carolinanus aka lowconabarth
12-19-2012, 06:35 PM
I drove to visit my daughter aprox 500 round trip Avg 60mph 36.9 mpg 93 octane real gas no ethanol. Regular mode not sport.

500
01-01-2013, 12:58 AM
I decided to try and max out my MPG with the second fill up. 100 miles in, I'm averaging 48.2mpg. This is mostly suburban/city, with about 20% freeway. The higher octane fuel is a major improvement over whatever the dealer put in there. Carefully timing approaches to lights, avoiding accelerating uphill, and coasting downhill are what it took to do. Weirdly enough, the heavy foot habit meant I still ended up passing people. \

-- Julie

4631

Tweak
01-01-2013, 01:30 AM
I decided to try and max out my MPG with the second fill up. 100 miles in, I'm averaging 48.2mpg. This is mostly suburban/city, with about 20% freeway. The higher octane fuel is a major improvement over whatever the dealer put in there. Carefully timing approaches to lights, avoiding accelerating uphill, and coasting downhill are what it took to do. Weirdly enough, the heavy foot habit meant I still ended up passing people. \

-- Julie

4631

I seem to be doing the exact opposite, I managed to get all the way down to 25.9MPG on the last 3/4 worth of gas according to the cars calculations.

Andree
01-01-2013, 03:09 AM
Driving short distances like that, expect mileage to be in mid-twenties, and a new battery needed in a year or two. In my old car, the service guys said I really needed to drive MORE, or at least let the car warm up before driving such short distances. Also, when the battery gets low, it will start shutting off non-essential things in the FIAT.

Edit: This is for the person who drives only 3-4 miles to work

500
01-01-2013, 03:47 AM
I seem to be doing the exact opposite, I managed to get all the way down to 25.9MPG on the last 3/4 worth of gas according to the cars calculations.

If you have the Abarth... that's really not that bad. Or I wouldn't think so. My Tiburon makes about the same amount of power as the Abarth (172hp) and in normal, brisk city/hwy split driving I average about 22mpg. Granted it weighs about 900lbs more, lol. But that doesn't sound unreasonable for the Abarth if you're giving it the boot. If you've got a pop or something though... that's admirably low! I burnt through tank #2 by driving like an idiot and I was still averaging about 35mpg.

--Julie

Tweak
01-01-2013, 01:33 PM
If you have the Abarth... that's really not that bad. Or I wouldn't think so. My Tiburon makes about the same amount of power as the Abarth (172hp) and in normal, brisk city/hwy split driving I average about 22mpg. Granted it weighs about 900lbs more, lol. But that doesn't sound unreasonable for the Abarth if you're giving it the boot. If you've got a pop or something though... that's admirably low! I burnt through tank #2 by driving like an idiot and I was still averaging about 35mpg.

--Julie

2013 Abarth. I have managed to get 32.7 but it is way too hard...lol. Plus it was almost all highway which isn't my normal driving situation. :)

500
01-01-2013, 09:58 PM
2013 Abarth. I have managed to get 32.7 but it is way too hard...lol. Plus it was almost all highway which isn't my normal driving situation. :)
Power has that effect, hehe. I know I've managed 30ish mpg with some serious hypermiling in the Tib, which is not at all bad for a V6 displacing 2700cc. I've noticed a problem in the Fiat though, and that is 'ecorage'. The old car only has an instant fuel consumption gauge (yes, analogue) but the range/average mpg readouts in the Fiat let me know right away when things are heading downhill. Yes, shaking fists at traffic lights is a thing that can happen! Grr!

48mpg is pretty epic for a gas-powered, non-hybrid as far as I'm concerned. If I had more freeway miles, I could so get into the 50's.

-- Julie

Tweak
01-01-2013, 10:33 PM
Power has that effect, hehe. I know I've managed 30ish mpg with some serious hypermiling in the Tib, which is not at all bad for a V6 displacing 2700cc. I've noticed a problem in the Fiat though, and that is 'ecorage'. The old car only has an instant fuel consumption gauge (yes, analogue) but the range/average mpg readouts in the Fiat let me know right away when things are heading downhill. Yes, shaking fists at traffic lights is a thing that can happen! Grr!

48mpg is pretty epic for a gas-powered, non-hybrid as far as I'm concerned. If I had more freeway miles, I could so get into the 50's.

-- Julie

The fun pedal is just so hard to be gentle with, I blame FIAT (and thank them for the same reasons). :D

squeeze
01-06-2013, 03:08 PM
Well I shaved this morning and my auto/cabrio gas mileage has improved.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY but its true
I gassed up and reset B and came up to the studio ... got 40.0 .. yes an automatic.
Usually this trip is around 34-35 mpg but today its was forty!
Well that is 99% freeway but still, 40!
Oh, I shaved not my face but set the cruise control to 65 instead of 70 and AC was on as usual.
So shaving 5 MPH gave a surprise!
Maybe there was a tailwind too!
LOL.


None of this sounds crazy to me. I come from the VW world of T3's where the aerodynamics are that of a brick. My T3 Doka pulls in 24mpg on highway if I am religious about keeping it in the 95km/h range, the SECOND I go above that window the mileage plummets into the teens. So I am not all that surprised about your findings.

Nice mileage btw!!

Keep truckin'!

panther76
01-06-2013, 05:52 PM
my worst two tanks in december and jan...38.9 and 41.2. definitely attributable to the winter gas, cold starts, and cold air.

HiFi Guy
01-14-2013, 11:53 AM
I have found that I get consistently better gas mileage with two brands of Super Unleaded: Mobil and Chevron.

4carbcorvair
02-23-2013, 10:43 AM
Filled up last night. With just over 4,000 miles on the clock, synthetic oil and k&n drop in filter.... She is just shy of 40 mpg now. Keeps going up. :)

bannman1
03-21-2013, 08:00 AM
I have been getting over 42 since i bought the car 2months ago. 42.2 42.6 is the best. I drive 43 miles some stop an go and some long streches of highway every day.

4carbcorvair
03-21-2013, 08:24 AM
Over 40 now. :) 5000 miles on it. :)

Boschetto al Tartufo
03-21-2013, 06:22 PM
My first fill up last week was 36.9 mpg and my second one today yielded 36.1 mpg; all with a mix of urban/suburban/highway. Pretty impressive considering much of it is done in the congested areas of I-35 in both San Antonio and Austin.

2013 500 Sport, automatic, currently 474 miles on the odometer, no mods, driven quite mildly and with lots of cruise control when possible. Using Chevron 93 octane.

CASD
05-12-2013, 09:56 AM
We just bought it.. 2013 Pop auto
average 33.2 mpg thats 100% city driving 12 mi commute each way top speed 45 but mostly 35 Non-sport mode

rick nowak
05-19-2013, 07:16 PM
mostly non-sport. 44-45 mpg. regular gas. country living 50 mph roads vermont. paying attention. not paying attention 41-42 mpg. 2012 pop 17k miles

spydersniper
05-30-2013, 04:29 PM
My wife and i travelled To Daytona for the Abarth performance school. I have a SILA short ram with a K&N pre-filter on it with no further engine mods yet. The trip was 90% highway and 10% city. On the way down we averaged 70 mph and had SportMode on for the whole way. Sunoco 93 octane only (no ethanol).We got 35.1 mpg. On the way back we did the same speed but no SportMode and got 35.5.

panther76
05-30-2013, 06:20 PM
mostly non-sport. 44-45 mpg. regular gas. country living 50 mph roads vermont. paying attention. not paying attention 41-42 mpg. 2012 pop 17k miles

pretty close to my experience, though i commute in more of a light suburban environment. lifetime average at 43.9. trips to Chicago average 46+ mpg so i don't have them included in my lifetime average....it just gets to where i feel bad for people asking what mileage i am getting.

DowneasTTer
05-30-2013, 08:10 PM
I use Fuelly.com to track my mileage. Currently AJ, our 12 500c pop has had 5 fill-ups using low test Shell. The current average is 35.3. I expect it will get better as the miles increase. AJ always has the bike rack with two bikes on the back as well. I feel pretty good with these numbers as my 08 smart has a 5 year average of 38.7. However, the smart uses only shell premium.

DowneasTTer
05-30-2013, 08:33 PM
Here's the fuelly.com results for the 500 over the past two years.http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=15574

panther76
05-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Here's the fuelly.com results for the 500 over the past two years.http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=15574

I don't think that differentiates different engines/transmissions. I cant imagine getting only 35 mpg with the manual transmission. id have to beat the living h&ll out of the car to get that low.

500ways
05-31-2013, 11:21 AM
pretty close to my experience, though i commute in more of a light suburban environment. lifetime average at 43.9. trips to Chicago average 46+ mpg so i don't have them included in my lifetime average....it just gets to where i feel bad for people asking what mileage i am getting.

Yup. I'm loving the gas mileage myself and am very happy to not be feeding big bucks to the oil companies anymore! The car is sporty, fun and efficient without any gimmicks!

I wish FIAT offered the next engine size down that they have in Europe. I can't recall the name. I think it's Twin?? In any case, the mileage would be through the roof!!

Happy Friday!

panther76
05-31-2013, 04:47 PM
I wish FIAT offered the next engine size down that they have in Europe. I can't recall the name. I think it's Twin?? In any case, the mileage would be through the roof!!

Happy Friday!

the 1.3 L Multijet Diesel is the one I would "upgrade" to if it was offered here. it produces around 95 hp but has better torque. it would probably be pushing 45-50 mpg's. to me that would be the perfect engine for the 500.

500ways
05-31-2013, 09:41 PM
the 1.3 L Multijet Diesel is the one I would "upgrade" to if it was offered here. it produces around 95 hp but has better torque. it would probably be pushing 45-50 mpg's. to me that would be the perfect engine for the 500.

That's the 1 !!

panther76
07-11-2013, 07:39 AM
47.2 trip meter readout.....45.8 actual calculated mpg on my recent trip to Chicago.

306 total miles. 6.68 gallons used. mostly interstate with speeds constantly changing up and down from 70 mph down to 40 mph along with a few traffic tie ups. AC was set at 72 degrees for the trip.

the manual tranny with this engine is just so efficient.

CASD
07-13-2013, 02:01 PM
We just bought it.. 2013 Pop auto
average 33.2 mpg thats 100% city driving 12 mi commute each way top speed 45 but mostly 35 Non-sport mode

UPDATE:
Short Trips 2 mi or less avg. MPH 17 = 24 mpg. My Kia Optima w/4cy auto about 19 MPG for same, 24 MPG for the same quote above

Honestly I don't think this is the greatest MPG car at least not in town , It's only 5 MPG better then the Kia in short trips and 7+/- on the longer in town trips(which is a lot better)..
But as I said before my Santa Fe 3.5 Auto/AWD only got 13mpg for the short trips..So the 500 feels a lot better then that..

500
07-24-2013, 11:40 PM
UPDATE:
Short Trips 2 mi or less avg. MPH 17 = 24 mpg. My Kia Optima w/4cy auto about 19 MPG for same, 24 MPG for the same quote above

Honestly I don't think this is the greatest MPG car at least not in town , It's only 5 MPG better then the Kia in short trips and 7+/- on the longer in town trips(which is a lot better)..
But as I said before my Santa Fe 3.5 Auto/AWD only got 13mpg for the short trips..So the 500 feels a lot better then that..

24mpg on a cold engine is pretty good. It probably takes your engine a healthy 4-7 minutes to get to full temperature, and until it does, it's not running at peak efficiency.

Also - not sure what years your KIA Optima and Hyundai Santa Fe are, but my other car is a 2004 Tiburon GT with the 2.7 V6 and I can say one thing about most of the Hyundai engines from the period - they're pretty reliable things, but they're old fashioned designs without variable valve timing and with completely mechanical throttles. The differences in economy between the two are going to be smaller in all city driving, but on the freeway, you'll notice a huge difference (that's where the Multiair can really do it's thing). Even if your KIA had VVT, which some of the Hyundai/KIA 2.0s had, it still wasn't enough to deliver more than about 26 or so MPG because of the horrible 4 speed automatic. Your Fiat should be able to return 40+.

The other thing is, the 500 was never designed with an automatic in mind, so it's no surprise the Aisin unit saps about 5mpg average in the city. You're averaging 33.2 in the city on a 12 mile drive, which is 5mpg better than EPA.

panther76
07-25-2013, 06:52 AM
The other thing is, the 500 was never designed with an automatic in mind, so it's no surprise the Aisin unit saps about 5mpg average in the city. You're averaging 33.2 in the city on a 12 mile drive, which is 5mpg better than EPA.

yes, it seems the manual transmission in the 500 returns real world mileage that that gives an even greater discrepancy than the epa numbers.

Hyundai, despite their epa numbers, which we now know were flawed and thus lowered, have some of the worst real world FE numbers on fuelly and fueleconomy.gov.

ive had a yaris and 2012 accent (both manuals) with similar epa numbers as my 500, and the 500 is easily the easiest to get 40+ mpgs in real world driving.

500
07-26-2013, 11:18 PM
yes, it seems the manual transmission in the 500 returns real world mileage that that gives an even greater discrepancy than the epa numbers.

Hyundai, despite their epa numbers, which we now know were flawed and thus lowered, have some of the worst real world FE numbers on fuelly and fueleconomy.gov.

ive had a yaris and 2012 accent (both manuals) with similar epa numbers as my 500, and the 500 is easily the easiest to get 40+ mpgs in real world driving.

That being said, it is totally possible to hypermile any car and outdo the EPA ratings by a healthy amount. I posted that epic fuel economy run where I was averaging roughly 58mpg in the FIAT and I've done something similar in the old Tiburon and averaged around 31mpg.

Furthermore, everyone should drive stick, unless they physically cannot. It's just better. :P

-- Julie

panther76
07-28-2013, 04:52 PM
That being said, it is totally possible to hypermile any car and outdo the EPA ratings by a healthy amount.

true, but I employ nothing but reasonable driving and regularly get 42+ mpg's in a light suburban type setting. I can definitely see getting around low 50-55 mpg's in the same setting if I went to the lengths of some hypermilers.

500ways
07-28-2013, 10:30 PM
true, but I employ nothing but reasonable driving and regularly get 42+ mpg's in a light suburban type setting. I can definitely see getting around low 50-55 mpg's in the same setting if I went to the lengths of some hypermilers.

to add: It can achieve those high MPGs without any gimmicks or small electric assist motors. The manual tranny is uber efficient.

500
07-29-2013, 12:11 AM
true, but I employ nothing but reasonable driving and regularly get 42+ mpg's in a light suburban type setting. I can definitely see getting around low 50-55 mpg's in the same setting if I went to the lengths of some hypermilers.
I don't disagree and I can completely confirm that careful driving alone is enough to average 50-53mpg. Fiddling with your tire inflation makes 53+ mpg pretty easily attainable, too.

Believe me, I get a smug feeling every time I see a Prius, because the 500 can kick the crap out of it without any hybrid nonsense.

ReconTopher
07-29-2013, 01:51 AM
How exactly is the 500 kicking the crap out of the Prius?

Fiat500USA
07-29-2013, 07:57 AM
One thing to remember is that the 500 was not meant to be a uber-miler. The car was tuned to be fun to drive. They could have made fuel mileage the most important thing but that defeats the whole point of this car. This isn't a traditional American style small car where its small size means means it is just an economy car. Sure the car gets great fuel economy and will easily exceed the EPA tag with just a modicum of care, but there is more to the car than that.

This is a point that is hard to relate to those who do not own this car or who are stuck in their preconceived notions from the 50s and 60s.

panther76
07-29-2013, 09:13 AM
One thing to remember is that the 500 was not meant to be a uber-miler. The car was tuned to be fun to drive. They could have made fuel mileage the most important thing but that defeats the whole point of this car. This isn't a traditional American style small car where its small size means means it is just an economy car. Sure the car gets great fuel economy and will easily exceed the EPA tag with just a modicum of care, but there is more to the car than that.

This is a point that is hard to relate to those who do not own this car or who are stuck in their preconceived notions from the 50s and 60s.

yes, they could have given us more efficient models than what we got. im sure fiat didn't feel "m'ericans" would be too keen on anything less than 100 hp.

im holding out slim hopes that they give us something like the 1.3 multijet diesel.

Since1958
07-30-2013, 04:48 PM
OK, real world after just shy of two years and 15K miles: highway (22%)- 40.1, local (78%)- 36.2. Overall- 36.0. This car's equipped with the Aisin slush-o-matic. I hope to trade for a new one with stick soon.

panther76
07-31-2013, 09:27 AM
OK, real world after just shy of two years and 15K miles: highway (22%)- 40.1, local (78%)- 36.2. Overall- 36.0. This car's equipped with the Aisin slush-o-matic. I hope to trade for a new one with stick soon.

that's quite good compared to what many are getting with the auto.

if you get a stick (non turbo, that is) you most certainly will see improvement on those numbers..

Tedolph
08-02-2013, 12:27 PM
Tedolph here,


Just made a round trip Seattle/Cleveland/Seattle trip in my 2012 500 Pop. Got about 44-46 MPG on the outbound trip driving at 2mph over posted limits, drafting behind trucks, etc. Got about 40 MPG on the way back doing about 80-85MPH.

In the city just driving around I get about 32-34 MPG.

Are most people beating the EPA estimates too?

Tedolph

500
08-06-2013, 03:13 PM
How exactly is the 500 kicking the crap out of the Prius?

If you're driving economically, it is possible to best the Priuses 48mpg figure. Since the only reason to own a Prius is fuel economy, I'd say getting anywhere close with a non-hybrid car, especially a fun-to-drive stickshift, is a +1 over any Prii. I realize that it's bigger, etc., but I still feel that point is a valid one. Same goes with the Smart car. The literal only reason to own one now is for the size.

Ducman69
12-07-2013, 06:06 PM
Quite pleased, getting about 35mpg average so far on the 500T, mixed driving plus traffic and goosing it now and then. I never get higher than window sticker rating, so this is a first for me.

4carbcorvair
12-22-2013, 07:53 PM
Went on a 440ish mile round trip yesterday. On the way back, the first 100 miles I drove between 45-55 mph due to weather. 44.2 mpg. The last half, approximately 100 mile I was able to cruise at the posted 65. Mpg's dropped down to 41.4. Can't complain at all.

FITITO
02-13-2014, 04:45 PM
How exactly is the 500 kicking the crap out of the Prius?

You know, I was wondering about this. In the last 17,500 miles my Fiat has averaged 42.5 MPG. I bet that if I drove the Prius like I drive the Fiat I could average about 48, I don't do much stop and go driving (which is where the Prius wins). So, what happens 6 to 12 years down the road when the battery pack needs changing? I think that the Fiat beats the Prius when it comes to long-term ownership costs. The economy difference is not that great (if you know how to drive the Fiat efficiently), but the difference is not enough to offset the cost of a new set of batteries. Not to mention, the Fiat is significantly cheaper.

There have even been some studies (they might be jaded) that show that the environmental impact of making and later disposing of the batteries is quite a mess.

Here are my stats, my last tank was the worst economy ever! It has winter gas, it was not above 0 F and I was driving through a few inches of snow for about 1/4 of the tank.

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/fitito/500/fuelchart

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/fitito/500


In the end, who knows?

Steve

ajshank
07-18-2014, 05:39 PM
Today I'm getting 43.5 MPG. I need an oil change so it could be better. Best I've gotten is 45.

Nickyvegas68
07-27-2014, 06:47 AM
I was getting 37.2 in mixed driving on the way to work but now I am getting 38.2. My Sport is a 5-speed and never out of Sport mode. Pretty happy with those numbers considering I drive it somewhat hard. Love my 500!

ashurjames
12-05-2014, 01:43 PM
I'm at 550 and that is only because I took a trip this weekend and put over 200 miles on her in one day...I still bet I have less than 4k on the odometer when she hits her first birthday.

TOOSML
12-05-2014, 01:53 PM
I was getting 40mpg Stock, Im now at 42,000 miles on my 2013 (I drive a lot from VA to FL to PA).

At 41,000 miles, I installed intake, light weight pulley and timing controller, was getting 38mpg.

I just added the exhaust and I'm now at 42mpg avg.

Since1958
12-16-2015, 10:22 PM
An ol' phart here who's been driving small FIAT sedans since 1958, well over a million miles. I'm on #17.

In '11 I got a new Pop with auto at the behest of wifie ("You're getting too old for shifting.") Well, that lasted two years and I traded for a '13 5-speed.

The auto yielded an 15K mile overall of 36.85 actual fill-up MPG with a 24/76% split between highway (40.1 MPG) and local (36.2 MPG)

The stick has yielded a 20K mile overall of 41.48 with a 22/78% split between highway (47.4 MPG) and local (39.9 MPG)

I just did an oil change- non-syn 5W-30- and added 5 oz. of Liqui-Moly. Highway has previously hit an indicated (NOT real-world fillups) of 50.1. Now I've gotten into the 53-55 MPG range on a couple of trips of the 150-200 miles.

I'd used this stuff back in the '50s with excellent results and recently found it at NAPA. You want LiquiMoly Part No. 2009. It's molybdenum disulphide suspended in a mineral oil to make it easily handled. It's slippery as goose "grease" in January and gets forced into the pores of rubbing parts like rings, cylinder walls, bearings, etc. Cuts down on wear, too.

As an aside, I've found the OBC indicated mileage to be about 6% optimistic so 53 MPG indicated should be a real-world 50+

This car is just phenomenal!

luddite
02-14-2016, 12:08 AM
Had my '13 mamual POP since Christmas. Averaging about 33 around town. Short road trip last weekend (200 miles each way) ran 38-42 MPG on the highway, running between 75 & 85 MPH.. Had gusty winds there and back. Tailwind, crosswind and headwind. Used pure gas one way and 10% ethanol the other way. Filled up each time after using a little less than 1/2 tank. Cross wind or tail wind didn't seem to affect the mileage or stability. Sport mode was helpful in the crosswinds. Headwinds were another story. We could actually feel the car momentarily drag with each gust. sorta like wow on a turntable. It definitely was not a fun trip south. Once headed east, the crosswind was no biggie.

CraigM
02-14-2016, 12:35 AM
evil_laughter About 125-135 MPGe during the Winter, 150+ MPGe in the Summer. All city / suburban driving in my 500e. About 3 cents per mile. $98.75/mo lease for 36 months.

Southernroadrunner
02-29-2016, 12:41 PM
2015 Abarth I get around 32-33 most of the time

DanG75
07-19-2016, 01:43 AM
Just drove my "new" 2012 Abarth home a total of nearly 1400 miles of very spirited (averaged 55mph) driving and averaged 29.2mpg. Mostly in sport mode. "New," as in, I bought it with 2302 miles on it.

pr0d1gy9
07-20-2016, 08:38 PM
Here is my excel sheet I keep for my 2012 Abarth. I kept track of the odometer and trip odometer just to see if it's accurate. I used the starting and ending odometer readings to calculate the mpg per tank and the overall is the average of all of them.

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22689&stc=1

My trip to work (30 miles each way) is mainly 35+ mph back roads and highway driving with a ferry in between. Driving the car is an absolute blast and getting 37mpg average is a huge plus.

Burkett1983
07-25-2016, 01:18 PM
My 2013 500 Pop got betweeen 38-43 city/highway. My 2015 pop is getting 35-39 but it only has 1200 miles on it. I'll give it some time to get broken in.

Klasse Act
07-25-2016, 07:20 PM
I'm on Fuelly.com named the car Backfire, because I had to name it "something" there, and I have detailed info there. My best was 41 mpg from Corbin KY to Lafeyette IN. My lifetime average is a little over 32 mpg.

Since1958
09-01-2016, 10:03 PM
Well, let's go back in history, my history with FIATs. I've been driving them since 1958 and this 500 Pop is, without a doubt, the stingiest on fuel of the 14 I've owned (two Nuova 500s, four 600s, two 850 sedans, one 1100 and three 145s, the 128-derived Yugo) plus three ('72 500L, '79 127 "903" and '80 127 "903") long-term rentals in Europe.

My '12 Pop automatic averaged 37.7 but I don't like automatics so I traded it on this '13 stick shift. It has an overall for 26,100 miles of 41.5, 40.1 suburban local, and 47.5 highway. Mostly Florida driving with excursions to the Blue Ridge mountains in North Carolina. It's an absolutely gangbusters car equally at home around town, in the mountains, or long distance cruising. In over a million miles, I've never met a FIAT I didn't totally love. Sounds kinda kinky, I know, but I'm normal... if any ol' foof of 81 years can be considered normal!

Southernroadrunner
09-02-2016, 12:19 AM
Well, let's go back in history, my history with FIATs. I've been driving them since 1958 and this 500 Pop is, without a doubt, the stingiest on fuel of the 14 I've owned (two Nuova 500s, four 600s, two 850 sedans, one 1100 and three 145s, the 128-derived Yugo) plus three ('72 500L, '79 127 "903" and '80 127 "903") long-term rentals in Europe.

My '12 Pop automatic averaged 37.7 but I don't like automatics so I traded it on this '13 stick shift. It has an overall for 26,100 miles of 41.5, 40.1 suburban local, and 47.5 highway. Mostly Florida driving with excursions to the Blue Ridge mountains in North Carolina. It's an absolutely gangbusters car equally at home around town, in the mountains, or long distance cruising. In over a million miles, I've never met a FIAT I didn't totally love. Sounds kinda kinky, I know, but I'm normal... if any ol' foof of 81 years can be considered normal!

I had a pop also but the best I ever got was 44 mpg. 47.5 mpg wow is that great. You must have really baby it to get that mpg. Anyway or however is that great.

Piratemcgee
09-03-2017, 02:31 PM
Our turbo pulls around 32 mix

Dax-n-his-fiat
06-07-2018, 01:32 AM
2013 500 pop manual w/ steel wheels in Tucson, az. All in city driving, hitting close to redline a few times a day (in second gear)... my trip computer says I average between 34 - 38. But when I fill up and do the math the old fashioned way, I'm getting 30-33. Anyone else doing the math the old fashioned way?

Fiat500USA
06-07-2018, 08:07 AM
2013 500 pop manual w/ steel wheels in Tucson, az. All in city driving, hitting close to redline a few times a day (in second gear)... my trip computer says I average between 34 - 38. But when I fill up and do the math the old fashioned way, I'm getting 30-33. Anyone else doing the math the old fashioned way?

Welcome to the forum. I also figure it out the manual way. There is usually a difference between the calculated and old fashioned way. For myself, it is somewhere around 1 or 2 mpg difference. I stopped paying attention to the difference, but from what I remember mine varied depending on driving conditions (highway or city, for example). One technique that may make help is to get gas at the same time of day using the same pump. That may tighten the differences up. It will also make your calculations more accurate as there are differences between pumps.

Pop12_13_15_17
07-16-2018, 12:00 PM
42 avg., often 43 or 44. Slow & steady. 2017 500 manual. Really love the mpg tach, helps learn how to squeeze out a few extra mpgs.

Dax-n-his-fiat
07-17-2018, 02:00 PM
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Dax-n-his-fiat
07-17-2018, 02:06 PM
I go to the same station, same pump, and leave the handle on one of those auto-off tabs (no idea what it's really called lol). The time of day does change from time to time, but I usually fill up at night after work. I try to keep in consistant. I also check tire pressure and fluid levels every week or two.

BoostAllDay
07-19-2018, 01:00 PM
I live in Orlando. It's full of tourists and locals, so traffic is BRUTAL! With my stop-and-go commutes plus the very long traffic light times, I average roughly 21 mph and typically hover between 22-25 mpg in my 500 Abarth w/manual transmission. I'm so jealous of you all getting 28+ mpg! Although, the minute I take it on the highway for trips, I can get well into the 30s!

In my case, I should mention that I always drive with sport mode on. I can't stand how dampened the steering gets, as well as the long delays from your pedal inputs when not in sport mode!

Ando
07-19-2018, 02:03 PM
...as well as the long delays from your pedal inputs when not in sport mode!

It's only delayed as long as it takes your leg to find the floor ;) Joking aside, you're totally right.

Of the modern cars I've driven none of them live up to the amount of fun and character as my Abarth but it is becoming increasingly common to have configurable driving modes available to keep steering responsive and throttle mapping lively. Look into the Madness GoPedal if you haven't already, it might just change your life.

I waffle on whether or not I want to track city/hwy miles on fuelly. Using the average speed readout is a great way to get an estimate of this balance. Now I'm curious what the high score holder on this thread average.

Mama's Leadfoot
10-09-2018, 09:37 PM
I'm new to the forum, so Hiya!xyxwave
I'm kinda jealous - y'all seem to have Abarths? (My first Fiat experience was a 500 Abarth from the junkyard when I was 12 in 1965. He swapped the Abarth engine for a regular one and rebuilt it. It was the first car he let me help with - while he held the engine, I crawled under & tightened the bolts. It had a kph speedometer - in the TN mountains. When loaded, it wouldn't go up the hill at the end of the street. By loaded I mean, my 150lb dad, my pregnant 250lb mom, my scrawny 9yr old brother, me (not a little girl), my dad's brother & his wife who were both over 6' and 200 lbs.)
I'm adjusting from a 2003 Passat Turbo to a 2017 500L Trekking as my daily car. I've had it about 5 weeks and put 2000+ miles on it. I have a leadfoot (red lines don't scare me) and have avg'd 35-36 mpg with a combination of highway & big city stop'n go in traffic but Hubby (who drives like an old woman) has shared the highway driving so it's not as good as it should be. I use onboard calculator as well as a record book.
Oh, and I've used nitrogen in my tires for over 10 years, almost never have a tire pressure issue, and get 80%+ of the rated miles out of my tires (where avg here is 50-60% - brands won't stand behind their warrantees here due to the road composition).

kona2000
02-06-2019, 10:43 PM
I get 34-36 mpg in my 2018 Pop and 32-34 in my 2018 Abarth. Both manual transmissions. That is primarily highway (fast-80-85 mph) with hilly terrain between ABQ NM and Santa Fe NM. Just love Fiats!! More fun to drive than about any other cars I've owned (and I am a major "car person" who trades cars once a year). Sure hope they hang in there in the USA.

tvmaster
06-21-2019, 05:29 PM
Welcome to the forum. I also figure it out the manual way. There is usually a difference between the calculated and old fashioned way. For myself, it is somewhere around 1 or 2 mpg difference. I stopped paying attention to the difference, but from what I remember mine varied depending on driving conditions (highway or city, for example). One technique that may make help is to get gas at the same time of day using the same pump. That may tighten the differences up. It will also make your calculations more accurate as there are differences between pumps.

Hi. When you say the "manual" way, I assume that means dividing total miles driven on the Trip A display for example (if zeroed at last fillup) and dividing by gallons used at fill-up? That's what I've been doing, and in my manual 2017 Abarth with 17" wheels, inflated to the B pillar spec and using 91 octane, my last MPG was 22.3! And that's with very little SPORT driving. Is the secret moving through the gears quickly and not revving too high in any, one gear? This is worse than my 2007 Mazda 3 2.3 litre automatic, which was fairly lousy on mileage. I was hoping for numbers closer to 37-30 without SPORT mode. No where close.
Any ideas?

Fiat500USA
06-22-2019, 02:02 PM
Hi. When you say the "manual" way, I assume that means dividing total miles driven on the Trip A display for example (if zeroed at last fillup) and dividing by gallons used at fill-up? That's what I've been doing, and in my manual 2017 Abarth with 17" wheels, inflated to the B pillar spec and using 91 octane, my last MPG was 22.3! And that's with very little SPORT driving. Is the secret moving through the gears quickly and not revving too high in any, one gear? This is worse than my 2007 Mazda 3 2.3 litre automatic, which was fairly lousy on mileage. I was hoping for numbers closer to 37-30 without SPORT mode. No where close.
Any ideas?


Driving environment is a big factor. Do you drive in a city? Stop and go traffic? Let the engine idle while parked and waiting? All these things add up especially the stop and go.

Try driving with the instantaneous mpg display on and see if you can keep the mpg up above a certain point. I'l look at my average mpg and then when I drive I'll try to keep the instantaneous reading higher than the average to boost my mileage. It will give you an idea of how to drive to get better mileage. A quick hint is to short shift around 2-2100 rpm as long as you aren't lugging the engine. Try to stay off boost, too. Driving in the highest gear the car will pull will bump your mileage, but just don't lug the engine. Try that and see if you can bump it up a few mpgs. I bet you can.

tvmaster
06-22-2019, 03:28 PM
Thanks. I tend to keep a eye on the real-time bar. Driving is mixed, freeways and surface streets, but probably is 60-40 freeway. However, the freeway trips aren’t long, five-six miles, then onto the surface side roads. SoCal, so reasonable hills here and there. I tend to use climate control as opposed to outside air. I only idle the engine when starting and ending my drives, for 30 seconds, one minute to prepare the turbo as was instructed here, but that’s it.
I’ll focus on the rpm’s for now...

Grabo
06-24-2019, 05:02 PM
I have a 2016 Abarth 5 speed manual, retired and live in a small city. Most of my driving is in the city and rarely use the sport button. I find the increased sensitivity is annoying in city driving. Yearly mileage is around 2300

miles and read threads where people getting 30+ mpg. On the highway for trips I get 36 mpg, in the city its 25-26 mpg. Then I read on some Fiat site (maybe this one) where a driver said to shift no higher than 2500 rpm.

I tried that and got 30.5 mpg. So that's my answer.

John

tvmaster
06-24-2019, 06:35 PM
30.5 mpg in the city, shifting at 2500?

bsedwebt
06-24-2019, 09:58 PM
2017 POP, 1.4, automatic, 4K miles, 40PSI in tires, cold air kit, full synthetic oil, no turbo, 93 NON ETHANOL fuel (I am lucky to have this nearby) is getting 40+ MPG all the time. This includes some stop/go some 70+MPH, some 55+MPH 2 lanes, winding roads, hills, etc... If just 2 lane blacktop at 55MPH is over 45MPG.

tvmaster
06-25-2019, 12:00 AM
Wow, I guess our little Abarth turbo eats up the fuel...

Fiat500USA
06-25-2019, 12:22 AM
30.5 mpg in the city, shifting at 2500?

Short shifting makes a big difference in fuel economy for most cars. Traditional engines run more efficiently when the throttle valve is open (technically the MultiAir throttle valve behaves different than normal cars as it runs open a large portion of the time and the intake air is controlled by the intake valves) Getting into the highest gear the car can pull will boost your mpg. The ecoDrive program that came with my Prima analized my driving and suggested I shift sooner (it actually gave me the rpm points to shift). In the normally aspirated Prima, the shift points were 2000 rpm or a touch lower(!). My abarth doesn't come with the program (and sadly I don't think Fiat USA supports ecoDrive anymore), but I found my Abarth gets better gas mileage if I shift later than my Prima - somewhere just over 2,000 rpm. Maybe that keeps the boost level at check - don't know. I live on a steep mountain and there are some hills in my commute. On the hills I shift around 2,500 - 2,600 rpm and use a light pedal. Coming home on the mountain I stay in third and around 35 mph.

Here are a few stories on Fiat's ecoDrive: http://www.fiat500usa.com/search/label/eco%3ADrive

doverosx
06-25-2019, 08:01 AM
Full bolt-ons including meth injection, I'd average 38+MPG on the highway, in the mountains on the way to Tennessee I'd get 32-34mpg and in the city I get ~29MPG. All the while, making 191whp (From 4500-6250)/230lbs-ft.

map
08-07-2019, 01:29 AM
I have a 2016 Abarth 5 speed manual, retired and live in a small city. Most of my driving is in the city and rarely use the sport button. I find the increased sensitivity is annoying in city driving. Yearly mileage is around 2300

miles and read threads where people getting 30+ mpg. On the highway for trips I get 36 mpg, in the city its 25-26 mpg. Then I read on some Fiat site (maybe this one) where a driver said to shift no higher than 2500 rpm. I tried that and got 30.5 mpg. So that's my answer. John

Yep, and you can't trust the screen for real MPG. Go to the horse's mouth and track fuel/mileage over several back to back tanks.

Like you, almost all is driving around town. I shift when the arrows say, so am in 5th at 35 MPH (cruising, not accelerating). I generally get there quickly, then skip to 5th. Similarly, around 31 in town, 36+ on the freeway (65 MPH). Twice I went onto the back roads sight seeing. Roads slick with storm debris on tight curves, so 35 is sane. Knocked down 45 one trip, 50 on another. (The engine was ticking along under 2K most of the 120 mile trips.)
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Mark
08-18-2019, 04:51 PM
2013 500 Pop with Manual Transmission (according to the computer, which might be slightly optimistic):

Mostly Highway driving: 42-45mpg
mixed city and hwy: about 40mpg
Pure highway driving: sometimes close to 50mpg (sticking to about 55 miles per hour).

My long term (100-hour) average I try to keep above 40 but sometimes it goes into the 39 range if too much city driving.

Am happy if I can get "range" plus miles driven on the computer to equal close to or even over 500 (I fill the gas tank way sooner than 500 miles though).

I drive with a light foot to increase mileage. Manual transmission is all I ever want, even for driving in NYC, because it feels like much more control of the car. I hate that spongy feel that very automatic has (have rented many many models!).

All in all, is there a better-mileage gas car? A friend claimed 55-60mpg for her VW Passat diesel but that was one of the forbidden-pollution ones.

Ando
08-19-2019, 11:19 AM
All in all, is there a better-mileage gas car?

Having owned a 2.0 TDI in a smaller/lighter body I'm gonna call BS on 55 real world mpg diesel until I see data. ;]

Briefly looked into this a bit (what a rabbit hole) and I think the easy answer is that the 1.4 MultiAir is very good in the current crop of modern vehicles, but the competitors are not far behind. Many recent Civics boast similar lifetime average MPG ratings as the N/A multiair 1.4. I think you might just be on the high side of the bell curve. (Interestingly the '08 & '09 500s have significantly better averages than others, can anyone explain that?)

I'm very excited to see Mazda's spark controlled compression ignition (SCCI) engine, the SkyActiveX. Until then I think you win!

map
08-19-2019, 12:52 PM
Yes, the computer is optimistic. You might want to join Fuelly; your specs will earn bragging rights there. It'll be one of the best US MPG.

Yep, your speed is in the range the 500 is geared for. On the freeway, under 70 MPH means I have to drop behind a semi. I'm not drafting, but it does keep someone from riding my bumper. It still gets good mileage at 60-65 speeds. Now that the car is broken in a bit, and the brick was replaced, highway speeds return > 40. That's offset by 30-31 MPG in town... lights and short hops really eat up the gas.

The car still has a LOT of drag. Coasting down steep hills, that sent my former car over 70 MPH, leave the 500 coasting at 60. I think it's mostly bearings and factory alignment.

On the '08 to '10's getting better mileage, the figures are "off" on Fuelly because these are EU Fiats. Their 0-60 times are measured on a calendar... but they do save on fuel. I'm also not sure if the owners checked the "Imperial gallon" box.

smark
08-19-2019, 01:11 PM
My gas milage, for the last 8 years. Is right on what the other 500 folks on fuelly report. I have other brand vehicles, a little larger cars. None turbo. Same horse power as the turbo 500. That Use regular fuel. Achieve better fuel economy. I could never figure out why my old smart car, and 500 needed premium fuel 91 octane. The smart car, would get up to 44mpg, using 93 octane on the highway. I got 38 mpg once, using 93 out of the 500 once. Strong tail wind on the highway.

Some of the 07-08 500’s fuel reports, are twin air engines.

Some people confuse instant gas milage, instead of average gas miles. On the cars computer. I still perform tank to tank mile gallons calculation, the old fashioned way.

Tedolph
08-20-2019, 04:37 PM
Just did a round trip from Seattle to N. Idaho on I-90. About 480 miles round trip. There was construction on the pass headed east (stop and go) and stop and go on the return trip near Ellensburg for about 10 miles. Did about 70 mph with the A/C on. Average for the total trip was 44.3 mpg. and that includes maybe 20 miles of non-freeway driving. Bought the cheapest gas I could.

I am sure I could have gotten 46 mpg maybe 47 mpg if there had been no traffic delays.

Car has recently cleaned and charged BMC air filter.

Tedolph
08-22-2019, 03:40 PM
What?

Nobody here wants to call me a liar?

Smark, anybody?

TEdolph

Fiat500USA
08-22-2019, 04:25 PM
Just did a round trip from Seattle to N. Idaho on I-90. About 480 miles round trip. There was construction on the pass headed east (stop and go) and stop and go on the return trip near Ellensburg for about 10 miles. Did about 70 mph with the A/C on. Average for the total trip was 44.3 mpg. and that includes maybe 20 miles of non-freeway driving. Bought the cheapest gas I could.

I am sure I could have gotten 46 mpg maybe 47 mpg if there had been no traffic delays.

Car has recently cleaned and charged BMC air filter.


What?

Nobody here wants to call me a liar?

Smark, anybody?

TEdolph

I believe you. I've gotten 40 mpg in my Abarth, so 44 mpg is not a stretch for a NA car driven reasonably.

Ando
08-22-2019, 04:35 PM
+1 Totally believable

I was even going to say I gained a solid MPG over 4 fuel ups after cleaning my BMC this summer. =P

Tedolph
08-23-2019, 02:00 PM
Would have been more fun if someone had called me a liar.

Tedolph