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Papaquebec
02-03-2017, 07:54 AM
Hi,

I have searched the forum, but did not find a thread that covered this. Has anyone with aftermarket wheels noticed a significant loss of range on their 500e? I am considering 16" wheels.

Thanks!

charrigan
02-03-2017, 10:01 AM
Its going to depend a lot on the weight of the new wheels and the rolling resistance of the new tires. If you go light enough you could potentially improve range.

The inserts on the non sport wheels effected the 500e range by 1% per fiat.

maximizese
02-03-2017, 12:11 PM
Unless you're barely getting to your destination with stock wheels and tires, I wouldn't worry about aftermarket wheels and tires. Wider sport tires will probably shave off 5-10% fuel economy (it did in my VW TDI). I have 17X8" SSR Integral GT2 (16lbs) with 225/45/17 Hankook V12s. The fuel economy went from 44mpg to 41mpg. I replaced my 5th gear set with a 12% taller set and I'm right back up to 45mpg and the car is much quieter at speeds above 70mph.

Back to the 500e, I personally don't see the need for wider patch tires but we've only had ours for 3 weeks now. I'm not sure if its tire related or just the nature of FWD BEV, but the car feels little squirrelly (at times) on the freeway at speeds above 50mph. I don't know if it's the thin tires, thread pattern not complying with the rain grooves of the pavement, the torque distribution of the powertrain, or the steering, but I know the wheels are aligned and balanced.

fox
02-09-2017, 08:09 PM
I'm highly interested in finding some lightweight wheels but not for the $2k price tag I see on some of these, geez! Where do you get these "wobble bolts" they talk about to use 4 x 100mm ones instead of 98mm?

Southernroadrunner
02-09-2017, 11:03 PM
I'm highly interested in finding some lightweight wheels but not for the $2k price tag I see on some of these, geez! Where do you get these "wobble bolts" they talk about to use 4 x 100mm ones instead of 98mm?

Most of our vendors sell wobble bolts. Just look on their websites or ask them.

fox
02-10-2017, 12:14 AM
Most of our vendors sell wobble bolts. Just look on their websites or ask them.
I'm a noob and looking all over this page I don't see them, please direct a forum moron lol. Thanks. Also anyone using the abarth wheels on a 500e or know the weight difference?

rkw
02-10-2017, 01:17 AM
Where do you get these "wobble bolts" they talk about to use 4 x 100mm ones instead of 98mm?Go to Google or eBay and search "fiat 500 wobble bolt". It's that simple. Multiple vendors will be returned.

Papaquebec
02-10-2017, 09:45 AM
I just purchased a set of 16" Abarth wheels for the 500e, I'll let you know when they are mounted.

I'm a noob and looking all over this page I don't see them, please direct a forum moron lol. Thanks. Also anyone using the abarth wheels on a 500e or know the weight difference?

DaveN007
02-10-2017, 03:07 PM
No noticeable decrease in range with mine, and I have a "control" in the garage to compare to. Another 500e.

Papaquebec
02-18-2017, 10:39 PM
So I just put my Abarth 16" wheels on this afternoon (LOVE THEM!). I had borrowed a shipping scale from work to weigh the old and new wheels, but it was a little more difficult than I expected, and I was trying to finish up before it got dark, but it looks like the Abarth is about 3-4 pounds lighter than the 500e wheels.
I just purchased a set of 16" Abarth wheels for the 500e, I'll let you know when they are mounted.

fox
02-19-2017, 08:54 PM
Abarth 16" wheels weigh 18.3 lbs. my 15" konig dial in weigh 10.9lbs for $103 a piece and you can get 15"RPF1 9.8lbs for $215 each.

charrigan
06-20-2017, 08:04 AM
Bringing this back from the dead.

I have had my 17" abarth wheels on for about 5 days. On my daily commute I have seen a drop from 4.5-5.0 mi/kwh to 3.8-4.0 mi/kwh. I expected a little drop but 20+% is nuts. I am back to the drawing board and likely going to lightweight 15's.

Have anyone else with 17's seen that crazy of a drop in range?

rnddude
06-20-2017, 09:00 AM
Not that big of a drop. Keep in mind that tire circumference is a factor. Usually a switch to a 16" or 17" increases your tire height/circumference, which the car cannot take into account in mi/kwh. Wheel/tire weight is a factor, but it is a small factor. The biggest factor is the usual change to a wider tire, which has a considerable effect on aero drag. If you change wheels/tires, the only reliable range change metric is the remaining battery percentage after driving a fixed course, before and after the change.

charrigan
06-20-2017, 10:11 AM
Not that big of a drop. Keep in mind that tire circumference is a factor. Usually a switch to a 16" or 17" increases your tire height/circumference, which the car cannot take into account in mi/kwh. Wheel/tire weight is a factor, but it is a small factor. The biggest factor is the usual change to a wider tire, which has a considerable effect on aero drag. If you change wheels/tires, the only reliable range change metric is the remaining battery percentage after driving a fixed course, before and after the change.

I went slightly taller thank stock. I basically have two routes I can take on my daily commute and traffic is typically pretty consistent. I am hopeful that there were possible other factors that killed my range the past few days like a headwind or tire pressure. Im going to bump the pressure up a few psi and drive a few more days with this setup. If its still this bad I am pulling them off and simply going back to 15" light wheels.

My work commute is 40 miles one way and I typically consume 45% heading to work and 50-55% heading home. Ill gauge the rest of the week and see how it goes

rkw
06-20-2017, 10:41 AM
It's not the wheel size but using tires that aren't low rolling resistance. I had a 10%-20% drop switching to Yokohama S Drive tires, on the 15" OEM wheels. Highway range dropped only a little but in-town range fell drastically.

VeeDubTDI
06-20-2017, 12:21 PM
Sticky tires will definitely reduce range, as will wider tires. If you combine both together, you're in for a pretty stiff efficiency penalty.

I'd love to dress up our 500e with some fancier wheels, but I'm not willing to sacrifice its range in order to bling it up a bit.

charrigan
06-20-2017, 12:40 PM
It's not the wheel size but using tires that aren't low rolling resistance. I had a 10%-20% drop switching to Yokohama S Drive tires, on the 15" OEM wheels. Highway range dropped only a little but in-town range fell drastically.

well that's the other factor that's perplexing me.

I had the car for 2 days before installing winter tires which are horrid for rolling resistance. Ive been able to average 4.5 to 5 mi/kwh WITH winter tires. I went straight from winters to my 17's.

lbowroom
06-20-2017, 06:21 PM
When I put the 205 Direzzas on the range indicator scared the crap out of me. It wasn't real though, I ended up going more or less as far as before.

Challenger
03-28-2018, 02:38 PM
I would stay away from "Wobble" bolts if possible. Most of the larger wheel and tire companys don't recommend them at all. I went to 17" Mallory 4s with the 4X98mm pattern, running 205 45 Michelin A/S Grand Touring series tires. These are great drivers, but I I found my range has taken a drastic dive. I don't mind around town, but round-trips of 35 miles each way are cutting it very close. I need more research on this, and may end up dropping to a 195 series and getting back close to the overall circumference of the dinky little 15-inchers.

If anyone else here has some experience with this problem, please let me know. Thanks.

marcelsipkema
03-30-2018, 05:18 AM
I Would try the original 16" Abarth wheel with the 4x98 bolt pattern and low resistance tyres 195-45-16, range drops a couple %, not dramatically 29965

marcelsipkema
03-30-2018, 05:26 AM
29966

closeup: 16" Abarth Wheel with chome center cap

Challenger
03-30-2018, 12:12 PM
Bringing this back from the dead.

I have had my 17" abarth wheels on for about 5 days. On my daily commute I have seen a drop from 4.5-5.0 mi/kwh to 3.8-4.0 mi/kwh. I expected a little drop but 20+% is nuts. I am back to the drawing board and likely going to lightweight 15's.

Have anyone else with 17's seen that crazy of a drop in range?

Yes, I am experiencing about the same thing with mine. In cooler weather I have noticed that my charge indicator will only show 85-90 miles on range, but that would have to be very conservative driving. Last summer and even late into the fall, my charge would show as high as 119-121 miles of range on the full charge. I know that's not realistic, but I would actually get close to 100 miles out of very easy driving around town and some of the bypass roads. I was averaging around 45 MPH with those figures.

The combo I have now is 17x7" TSW Mallory rims with Michelin A/S touring tires size 205 45R17. They stand 24.3" tall versus the stock Firestone tires on 15" rims at 23.0". The Firestone tires are 7.3" wide, and mine are 8.1". The revolutions per mile are Firestone 877, Michelin 832. That equates to a speed adjustment of 5.7% on the odometer/speedometer. I think the extra width and taller overall combo is really doing a number to my mileage. The advantages are good...great grip, beautiful handling, very quiet, and more fun sprinting around town!

When I made the first long run with these wheels and tires I could tell the KW usage almost immediately. I completed a 70 mile round-trip averaging about 58 MPH, and arrived at home with 1% (ONE-PERCENT) showing on the mileage remaining, and 2% on the charge indicator.:whip: I did about 7 miles of that trip at 45-47 MPH, and the rest at 58 allowing for the +5.7% speedometer correction with the larger tires. I used the cruise control almost the entire trip.

I could go to a 195 40R17 tire and the height would be 23.1" (only one-tenth inch taller) versus the stock 23". The width would be 7.7" versus stock 7.3". That's only a +0.4% change to the speedometer. That might make a world of difference over what I'm running now. The problem with that size is very limited choices of tires (that I want). What do you guys think? Tell me what you would do.

Challenger
03-30-2018, 12:19 PM
What was the exact size of the tire and rims?

Challenger
03-30-2018, 12:23 PM
I went slightly taller thank stock. I basically have two routes I can take on my daily commute and traffic is typically pretty consistent. I am hopeful that there were possible other factors that killed my range the past few days like a headwind or tire pressure. Im going to bump the pressure up a few psi and drive a few more days with this setup. If its still this bad I am pulling them off and simply going back to 15" light wheels.

My work commute is 40 miles one way and I typically consume 45% heading to work and 50-55% heading home. Ill gauge the rest of the week and see how it goes

So, what range did you actually have before and after the change? I'm going through the same situation now also.

Challenger
03-30-2018, 12:26 PM
When I put the 205 Direzzas on the range indicator scared the crap out of me. It wasn't real though, I ended up going more or less as far as before.

What was the exact size of the tire and rims?

PS. I posted this a little earlier, but did not use the quotes.

Henri737
04-01-2018, 02:52 AM
I Would try the original 16" Abarth wheel with the 4x98 bolt pattern and low resistance tyres 195-45-16, range drops a couple %, not dramatically 29965

Hey Marcel, waar heb je die gekocht en wat was de prijs ongeveer? Ik rijd nu op ori velgen met winterbanden en het wordt langzamerhand tijd te wisselen.

groet,

Henri

(translation: where did you buy these and at what cost, i'm driving now on winter tires and it's time to change)

my67falcon
04-01-2018, 10:52 AM
Henri737

Niet om het gesprek over te nemen, maar waar kom je vandaan in Nederland? Ik gebruik om in Gemert te wonen.

my67falcon
04-01-2018, 10:53 AM
I Would try the original 16" Abarth wheel with the 4x98 bolt pattern and low resistance tyres 195-45-16, range drops a couple %, not dramatically 29965

That looks pretty damn sweet.

Henri737
04-02-2018, 10:51 AM
Klein dorp vlak bij Culemborg, 20 km zuid van Utrecht (16 Mi south of Utrecht, Netherlands)

Henri

my67falcon
04-02-2018, 11:09 AM
Klein dorp vlak bij Culemborg, 20 km zuid van Utrecht (16 Mi south of Utrecht, Netherlands)

Henri

Ik gebruik het om er doorheen te gaan toen ik Soesterberg bezocht

Henri737
04-02-2018, 12:01 PM
en Comiso in relatie tot soesterberg, de airbase neem ik aan? soesterberg airbase bestaat niet meer is nog wel een luchtvaartmuseum. Ik gebruik mijn 500e alleen voor korte afstanden en nu begint de zomer te komen dus: eraf met die winterbanden! begrijp dat de keuze de range sterk be´nvloed dus, ook ik, op zoek naar een goede combinatie.

groet Henri

(and Comiso in relation to soesterberg, the airbase I assume? soesterberg airbase no longer exists but there is still an aviation museum. I use my 500th only for short distances and now the summer is coming, so: off with those winter tires! understand that the choice strongly influences the range, so I am too looking for a good combination.)

my67falcon
04-02-2018, 12:47 PM
en Comiso in relatie tot soesterberg,

Nee, Volkel Ik was er van 1988-1991

Henri737
04-02-2018, 02:40 PM
Ah, vandaar Gemert! Ik civiel, B737, pensioen en dus nu een 500e! ;-)

groet,
Henri

Henri737
04-03-2018, 03:15 AM
Today I will get Abarth wheels and tires of some sort (asked for low roll resistance ones). In Holland we have two ways of maintaining: the official dealer or the "specialist". The specialists, in general are cheaper and better than the official dealers. (not in all cases, there are of course exemptions). The 500e can only be bought and maintained at a specialist because of the "grey" import from the USA. I will share what the effect will be on my range, witch is now about 130 km per charge. (82 Mi) and slowly on the increase due to higher outside temperatures. (my wife drives like she is in a race...that kills the range!)

ggz, Henri

marcelsipkema
04-03-2018, 05:06 AM
Hey Marcel, waar heb je die gekocht en wat was de prijs ongeveer? Ik rijd nu op ori velgen met winterbanden en het wordt langzamerhand tijd te wisselen.

groet,

Henri

(translation: where did you buy these and at what cost, i'm driving now on winter tires and it's time to change)

Hi Henri,

Het zijn de standaard 16" velgen van Abarth, ik heb ze bij 500E Fiat center vandaag in Kortenhoef, banden zijn vredestein Quatrac 5 (all weather)

Marcel.

Henri737
04-03-2018, 09:58 AM
Marcel,dank. Zal hier plaatsen wat er onder komt en range dit geeft. Vanmorgen gaf hij 141 km range aan op winterbanden (mijn vrouw had er niet in gereden!)

Henri

my67falcon
04-03-2018, 11:10 AM
Ik wou dat de kilometers beter waren. Ik rijd 120 kilometer op een manier naar mijn werk.

Dirty Blond
04-03-2018, 02:32 PM
在这次谈话中,我遇到了一个问题。

texanbrit
04-03-2018, 02:35 PM
在这次谈话中,我遇到了一个问题。

lol

my67falcon
04-03-2018, 02:41 PM
在这次谈话中,我遇到了一个问题。

All problems have a solution.

Dirty Blond
04-03-2018, 09:05 PM
All problems have a solution.



你是个聪明人,my67falcon。但有时候解决办法就是成为一个小丑...... ;)

Henri737
04-04-2018, 05:26 AM
For our clowns (my wife is Chineese by the way) to stay on topic. Wheels and tires have been ordered and will go on the car friday. Dunlop tires size 195-45-16, low roll resistance low noise (68db) Wheels 8 spoke Bobet's 16x 6,5j.

gtz

Henri

rnddude
04-04-2018, 09:32 AM
帮帮我! 我在幸运饼干工厂被关押!

Dirty Blond
04-04-2018, 09:36 AM
Henri737, post pics when you got them on, would like to see. My daughters are chinese as well...

Mddude, LOL !

my67falcon
04-04-2018, 10:13 AM
帮帮我! 我在幸运饼干工厂被关押!

OK, That was funny

Henri737
04-05-2018, 04:01 AM
Hi Dirty Blond, I will do that, appointment in workshop on friday. Wintertires worked fine this winter but you will not need these in TX, I presume, no cold wx ops!

gtz,

Henri

Henri737
04-06-2018, 11:04 AM
3005430055

Henri737
04-06-2018, 11:51 AM
10 spokes.......

Henri

Southernroadrunner
04-06-2018, 11:57 AM
Henri those look real nice.

Henri737
04-06-2018, 12:44 PM
Thx SRR,

Now we will have to see what they do on range. Distance per revolution is about the same as std but they are 1 cm wider. The Dunlops were the tires with the lowest rollresitance and lowest db’s: we will see and I will report here.

gtz

Henri

Dirty Blond
04-06-2018, 06:28 PM
That looks sharp !

Nice job.

Henri737
04-10-2018, 04:25 AM
Until now the range has remained the same, so wintertires more use the same as the wider sommertires and non-standard wheels.

gtz,

Henri

chilicoke
04-11-2018, 08:26 PM
1.5 year on 205/50-15 Dunlop Direzza DZ102, initially lost ~5% range from wheels and tire, but gained it all back by pumping up tires to 40psi. coolgleam
https://i.imgur.com/emvjxAB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kHeTjkm.jpg

my67falcon
04-12-2018, 12:06 PM
1.5 year on 205/50-15 Dunlop Direzza DZ102, initially lost ~5% range from wheels and tire, but gained it all back by pumping up tires to 40psi. coolgleam
https://i.imgur.com/emvjxAB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kHeTjkm.jpg


Ohhhh, those are sweet.

DriverOne
04-12-2018, 07:07 PM
I've not seen anyone bring up tire weight. Getting lighter wheels means nothing if the tires you select aren't as light or lighter than OEM tires. Low profile tires can be SUPER heavy. I've also been absolutely shocked by the weight of the same size tire from another brand. In the 205/40R17, Delinte tires are noteably the lightest tires I've come across. They're not LRR, but they're not supposed to be; I was just using my experience as an example.

At low dollar, a super light wheel is often light due to the amount of air in the wheel due to the pouring process used to make them. I recommend the purchase of 5 wheels over 4, because of the inevitable rogue pothole! Much higher priced wheels are often lighter because they're made of a single billet ingot and milled, with much higher strength. Thinner tire/wheel combos, while not as good at cornering or stopping, are incredible in snow and can be much lighter than OEM. Drag car front wheels would be the absolute best option, IMO.

The wheel arches of the 500 are pretty big as well. Covering them will help your aerodynamics very well.

Doing all of that should yield a notable increase in mpkw.

Henri737
04-13-2018, 04:29 AM
Hi,
Something is changing on my range. The G.O.M. is now standard on 100 miles and over after charging. Outside air temperatures are constant the last two weeks over here so it must be the tires. They are the only things changed to the car.

happy with it,

Henri

Henri737
04-13-2018, 04:33 AM
By the way: the tires are at 36 psi.

Henri

Henri737
04-20-2018, 08:48 AM
Presently doing 6 mi per kwh, range indicated this morning 105 mi.

Henri