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SSgt Good Wrench
02-01-2017, 01:12 PM
I was looking at http://shraderperformance.com/ and saw the rear seat delete for the 500 but it says it doesnt work for the 500e. 2 quick question 1) does anyone know why this kit wont fit(hopefully something small i can modify) 2)does any one know of a company that does sell one that fits the 500e. I know i'm posting a lot but i just got this car and i'm just trying to learn all i can. Thanks a lot for any help and anyone can give me.

rkw
02-01-2017, 01:57 PM
I was looking at http://shraderperformance.com/ and saw the rear seat delete for the 500 but it says it doesnt work for the 500e. 2 quick question 1) does anyone know why this kit wont fit(hopefully something small i can modify)I peeked at the installation instructions (http://shraderperformance.com/install/Fiat500.pdf) and don't immediately see why, but of course the reason would be the battery. Why don't you just ask Shrader Performance?
https://blog.fiatusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/FIAT-500e-Structure.jpg
I think you should pull your rear seat, examine the layout and compare it with instructions in delete kits.

maximizese
02-01-2017, 04:07 PM
Curious to know why you want to delete the rear seats. Are you trying to shed weight or need flat cargo space? I haven't put the rear seats down yet, but in my MK4 VW Golf, the sound turbulence (hard to describe, it's like road noise with variable air pressure) when driving over 40mph with the rear seats down is kind of annoying. Maybe it's the sport tires or coilovers, but I wouldn't tolerate the noise for any trip longer than necessary.

SSgt Good Wrench
02-01-2017, 06:36 PM
It's a little bit of both. This car is just for driving to and from work. I will never have anyone in the back seat. For me its a win win. Save weight/Have more cargo room while still having the inside look nice.

rkw= I'm going to do that. I just wanted to see if anyone had any knowledge on the subject.

Trunkout
02-01-2017, 08:16 PM
It's a little bit of both. This car is just for driving to and from work. I will never have anyone in the back seat. For me its a win win. Save weight/Have more cargo room while still having the inside look nice.

rkw= I'm going to do that. I just wanted to see if anyone had any knowledge on the subject.
The majority of the weight from the rear seats is the backs. For this reason I left the "butt pad" in the car for "emergency" trips. It's almost level with the back. Plus I left the seat belts in as cargo straps. Works well for me!

rjlong
02-02-2017, 12:02 AM
The rear seat bottom in the 500e is hinged to fold forward. There is a pull strap in the middle, and you will need to feed the seat belts through. When you have it tilted, you'll see the HV battery disconnect cover. ICE 500s do not have this protrusion, so a standard RSD kit will not fit without modification. There are also 4 threaded studs that secure the rear cargo bins that would need to be ground off.

I'm going to make a filler for the floor from 2 inch insulating foam board and corrugated plastic sheeting with cutouts for the protruding objects. This should yield a sturdy, lightweight, flat floor to attach carpet, and everything can be restored later if needed.

rkw
02-02-2017, 01:07 AM
When you have it tilted, you'll see the HV battery disconnect cover. ICE 500s do not have this protrusionGreat information!

That would be items #1 and #2 in the parts diagram: http://www.fiatpartswebstore.com/products/FIAT/500E/SERVICE-DISCONNECT-HIGH-VOLTAGE-BATTERY/11236535/05186016AB.html

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25284&stc=1

rjlong
02-02-2017, 10:07 AM
Great information!

That would be items #1 and #2 in the parts diagram: http://www.fiatpartswebstore.com/products/FIAT/500E/SERVICE-DISCONNECT-HIGH-VOLTAGE-BATTERY/11236535/05186016AB.html

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25284&stc=1

Yep, those stick up as high as the seat channel. I'll get a pic of the studs today.

SSgt Good Wrench
02-02-2017, 11:51 AM
You guys rock!

Fiat500USA
02-02-2017, 12:16 PM
Thanks for posting this. I added 500e to the title of this thread to make it easier to find in a search.

rjlong
02-03-2017, 02:40 PM
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Here are a few pics of what it looks like with the rear seat, belts, cargo bins, etc. removed. I guess I don't have any pics of my Abarth with everything out to show for comparison. Maybe someone else can provide those.

SSgt Good Wrench
02-10-2017, 02:29 AM
Just did this myself(pics to come tomorrow). Weighed everything and this actually saves 72lbs. Not bad for a few hours. I am going to take mine to a upholstery shop and have them make me a cargo liner(aka carpet) so it looks as factory as possible.

rjlong
02-10-2017, 09:32 AM
Just did this myself(pics to come tomorrow). Weighed everything and this actually saves 72lbs. Not bad for a few hours. I am going to take mine to a upholstery shop and have them make me a cargo liner(aka carpet) so it looks as factory as possible.

The rear seat belts and reels are just over two pounds each, and not hard to get to. Just be prepared to use and impact gun on the upper bolt. I'm not sure what kind of thread lock they used, but it holds on all the way out.

imola.zhp
02-20-2017, 02:58 PM
Nice work. Don't forget to remove the floor mats, as they are no longer needed back there.

Ducman69
03-09-2017, 02:06 PM
The majority of the weight from the rear seats is the backs. For this reason I left the "butt pad" in the car for "emergency" trips.
Chiming in a bit late, but this is super dangerous (and illegal). I highly recommend against this.

Sixpackdan
03-19-2017, 06:27 AM
Howdy,
So I bought a 2013 e and I'm an old school hot rodder and cant leave anything stock. I pulled the trunk insert and all its pieces and parts. Pulled the rear seats, pulled the under hood sound deadner and the under hood pretty cover. Then modified and installed a rear seat delete kit and a "stock" 500 trunk floor carpet. Tons of room in back for shopping now! and the car lost a total of 75 pounds. Follow along with my pictorial.
Here is the factory trunk insert.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26026&stc=1
Here is the factory trunk insert open.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26027&stc=1
Here is the stock e trunk paddng.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26028&stc=1
here is the bare metal floor of the trunk.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26029&stc=1
I replaced all that with a factory (ebay) used carpet set from a standard 500.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26030&stc=1
to be continued..........................

Sixpackdan
03-19-2017, 06:37 AM
Continued...............
Now here is a standard rear seat delete. It will NOT fit an e it must be modified cause of the floor ie batteries.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26031&stc=1
Here is a cardboard template of the floor.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26032&stc=1
Here is the delete marked out for cutting.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26033&stc=1
Here is a large cover under the rear seat that sits pretty tall.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26034&stc=1
To get the delete to fit i removed the whole cover and notched the under pading on the delete to fit around it so it would sit flat in the car.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26035&stc=1
To be continued.................

Sixpackdan
03-19-2017, 06:48 AM
Continuing......................
Here is almost everything i pulled, not pictured is the underhood pad and underhood pretty cover.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26036&stc=1
Here is the delete notched to fit the floor of the e.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26037&stc=1
I had to drill new holes in the delete for the bolts to line up with the lower seat holes. Do NOT try to drill through the carpet of the delete. You must cut it or you will end up with a spinning mess of torn off carpet! Here it is installed.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26038&stc=1
Now the chunk i cut off to match the floor i cut a piece of quarter sized carpet out to fill in the whole of the factory 500 floor carpet. I have no idea what the original hole was for but on my e it was not needed. So i glued a 3/8 thick piece of wood under the hole and glued in the carpet to fix the hole. (no pic of fixed hole)
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26039&stc=1
With a total of 75 pounds pulled from this car you can see its time for madness lowering springs and maybe a custom lower rubber front spoiler.
http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26040&stc=1
Time for less weight and more power! any ideas?

Southernroadrunner
03-19-2017, 10:36 AM
Nice job on the project and thanks for the pics and the explanation of the procedure you did.

rkw
03-19-2017, 03:49 PM
pulled the under hood sound deadner and the under hood pretty coverThat never occurred to me! I guess they are simply using a standard Fiat 500 hood but there is certainly no need for hood insulation in an electric car.


Time for less weight and more power! any ideas?Lighter wheels of course, and the 12V battery: http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?27501-Has-anyone-considered-a-lightweight-12v-battery. The 500e has some extra sound insulation over a standard Fiat 500. Apparently without the gas engine to mask noises, other sounds became obtrusive: http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/fiat/500e.html

In the Google+ 500e forum, Jim Hagerman was the lead engineer for Bosch on the 500e project and he said they had something like a Sport mode on their test vehicles: https://plus.google.com/102843102657680026179/posts/LjX9dWiwYHL. However, more power will be difficult to achieve without access to software.

In various forums, there have been discussions about lowering the car, underbody paneling and rear diffuser.

Southernroadrunner
03-19-2017, 09:47 PM
So when you guys do a seat delete kit is the safety of the car reduced in case of a side impact
Or is leaving the seat In more supportive

rkw
03-19-2017, 11:48 PM
So when you guys do a seat delete kit is the safety of the car reduced in case of a side impact
Or is leaving the seat In more supportiveNo, rear seats are not part of the frame and do not add to structural rigidity. They are basically trim items.