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Ducatirider94
10-29-2015, 12:15 AM
So far the only things I can be positive on are:
Different seats
Badges
Steering wheel
Boost gauge
Exhaust ( is it quieter than a Abarth? Muffler?)
Wheels
I know the engines are the same, just tuned differently. Is the suspension the same? What about the tranny and brakes.

I'm in the market for one again to get modding but a used Abarth may be out of my range at the moment where I found a turbo that is perfectly priced. Any advice is greatly appreciated. And the turbo I found is 11k with 18k miles compared to the Abarth at 13k with 33k miles. Don't have the 2k right now otherwise it would just pick the Abarth.

Giuseppe

Fiat500USA
10-29-2015, 12:51 AM
There have been a few thread on this. Here is a quote from one:


It is and it isn't the same. Think of the 500T as a Sport with more power. As everyone knows it uses the same engine and trans as the Abarth, but with the suspension of the Sport. Obviously, everything could be changed over to Abarth specs, but the cars do have quite a few unique differences that would need to be addressed.

Besides the engine calibrations and the trim changes, here are some other differences between the 500 Abarth and the 500T:



40 percent stiffer spring rate and 0.6- inch (15 mm) lower ride height.
Abarth-designed cast iron front-lower control arms for improved lateral stiffness.*
Increased negative camber to -1.5 degrees.
Dual-valve Frequency Selective Damping (FSD) KONI front Struts.
40 percent more torsionally rigid rear axle with strengthened coil-spring supports.
A 0.87-inch (22 mm) Abarth-specific solid rear-stabilizer bar.
20 percent stiffer rear springs with 0.6-inch (15 mm) lower ride.
Abarth features a 15.1:1 (up from 16.3:1) steering-gear ratio for 10 percent quicker steering.
Uniquely tuned electronic power steering (EPS) calibration for increased steering response and feedback.
Abarth-tuned ESC system features a three-mode calibration to maximize handling capabilities on and off the track. When ESC is selected from “On” to “Partial Off” or “Full Off” on the instrument panel, the 500 Abarth’s Torque Transfer Control (TTC) system maximizes throttle performance during on-throttle cornering.



*The 500T also has the cast iron arms.

The Abarth also doesn't have a muffler while the Turbo does.

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?22253-500T-Vs-Abarth


Depending on what you want to do and how far you want to go, maybe financing the extra $2,000 might make sense.

Ducatirider94
10-29-2015, 01:31 AM
There have been a few thread on this. Here is a quote from one:



The Abarth also doesn't have a muffler while the Turbo does.

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?22253-500T-Vs-Abarth


Depending on what you want to do and how far you want to go, maybe financing the extra $2,000 might make sense.

Thank you for the quick response! I will have to suck it up and wait for some more cash or the right deal, as I dearly miss my Abarth and short cutting isn't going to cut it!

Trunkout
10-29-2015, 10:05 AM
short cutting isn't going to cut it!

This is now my generic response to why I didn't get a pop or sport!
PERFECT!

Simmonz
10-29-2015, 11:14 AM
They are around man just gotta look, heres a low mileage 2014 Abarth for under 16k by me.

http://www.fiatofmckinney.com/vehicle-details/used-2014-fiat-500-abarth-3C3CFFFH4ET253011

Andree
10-29-2015, 11:27 AM
I don't know where you are, but check Car Gurus. They'll tell you if it's a good deal or not, which can be very helpful.

tknospdr
10-29-2015, 11:27 AM
You can buy mine. I'm asking 13.5k. It has less than 16k miles. And it already has the aftermarket items listed in my sig below.

MX5
11-01-2015, 01:22 PM
The sound of the Abarth is a big part of the appeal - does anyone know if running straight pipe on a 5OO-T gives you the same sound?

Tiny Turbo
11-01-2015, 01:42 PM
Wow there is a lot more difference between Abarth-500T than I thought. That's some significant difference between the suspension setups.
Some of which look like they can not be easily upgraded to match the Abarth like front-lower control arms and stiffer rear axle. More of a reason to go Abarth.

I could have got a 500T cheaper but I went Abarth because of the sound originally. Also the red themed interior really caught my eye.
+ it's an Abarth, without a single Fiat logo in sight.

Trunkout
11-01-2015, 01:43 PM
The sound of the Abarth is a big part of the appeal - does anyone know if running straight pipe on a 5OO-T gives you the same sound?

Not QUITE the same... But close!
There's a YouTube video out there somewhere.
It will sound like an Abarth in NON sport mode... Which is basically a 500T.
An Abarth in sport mode is very throaty.

Trunkout
11-01-2015, 01:46 PM
+ it's an Abarth, without a single Fiat logo in sight.

Except every window. Which drives me crazy!

Fabio13
11-01-2015, 04:35 PM
The Abarth has a bigger turning radius than all the other Fiat 500's. If you needed to flip a u-turn it'd be easier in the 500T unless you're one of those e-brake guys that likes to slide into parking spots!thewave

Tiny Turbo
11-01-2015, 05:24 PM
It was easier for Fiat to measure the Abarth turning radius because it left a nice flaming rubber mark on the pavement.

Fiat500USA
11-01-2015, 05:57 PM
Except every window. Which drives me crazy!

Well, the car is a Fiat so there's nothing wrong with that! Fiat has an incredibly rich automotive history. Read up on it and you'll see there is no reason to hide your Fiat emblems. You have every reason to be proud.

Here are a few articles to whet your appetite:

http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/10/fiat-100-plus-years-of-leadership.html

http://www.fiat500usa.com/2009/02/dante-giacosa.html

http://www.fiat500usa.com/2009/12/fiat-technology-ferrari-458-italia.html

http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/11/abarth-legend-fiat-124-abarth-rally.html

http://www.fiat500usa.com/2010/05/looking-back-at-fiat-131brava.html

http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/07/fiat-abarth-exec-from-1960s-visits.html

Tweak
11-02-2015, 12:25 AM
Except every window. Which drives me crazy!

And then you also have the 500 on the dash, rear hatch and each rocker panel seal cover...sigh. :(

ManOfStealth
11-05-2015, 06:05 PM
Price is a little high. It's a base model with just the hyper wheels and caps/stripes. I test drove it and it has a CAI (holy cowl by ATM) and is very load. And the stock parts are nowhere to be found. Us old dudes hate that noise. Give me turbo whine and exhaust all day long.


They are around man just gotta look, heres a low mileage 2014 Abarth for under 16k by me.

http://www.fiatofmckinney.com/vehicle-details/used-2014-fiat-500-abarth-3C3CFFFH4ET253011

opiateESP
11-05-2015, 09:23 PM
The sound of the Abarth is a big part of the appeal - does anyone know if running straight pipe on a 5OO-T gives you the same sound?

Once tuned, they sound identical. Don't buy a 500T and want an Abarth though. It's never going to be what you want. It can be just as fast... but it will never be an Abarth.

opiateESP
11-05-2015, 09:25 PM
The Abarth has a bigger turning radius than all the other Fiat 500's. If you needed to flip a u-turn it'd be easier in the 500T unless you're one of those e-brake guys that likes to slide into parking spots!thewave

E-Brakes are great and preferable... but having the turning radius when living in a city is nice. I've pulled many u-turns that an Abarth just couldn't do :P