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shadowshaggy
03-24-2014, 11:18 PM
So two things, I'm looking into a set of Yokohama Advan A048 - DOT race tires ;) - and this this the size I wanna use. I assume a set if 3mm or 5mm spacers will be necessary, but will get to that point when the tire deal is sorted (whole other story). It will either be these or a set of Yokohama S-Drive in 215/45R16 and those should fit without rubbing and no spacers.

Comments, suggestions, hatering? Go:

zyxelenator
03-24-2014, 11:45 PM
are you sure 225 will fit and how much wider it will be on stock rim, if it will be wider when mounted?

shadowshaggy
03-24-2014, 11:48 PM
30mm wider tread, overall it's 0.3" wider according to mfg specs ;) I looked before I posted. The stock tires should be 205 or 215, they went skinny route IMHO - cost less

jguerdat
03-25-2014, 07:59 AM
Let's start with basics:

Size Section width Tread width
195/45-16 (OEM) 7.7 6.5
215/40-16 (S.Drive) 8.7 7.7
225/45-16 (A048) 8.9 8.8

Note that the wider tires are measured on a wider wheel - 7.5" vs. 6.5" so there will be pinching going on unless you're changing wheels. The section width is ~1" wider (.5" per side) which is where a lot of rubbing could occur. The 215 width shouldn't be an issue since we've been running that width on 17s for some time with only occasional rubbing reports - the ZIIs have 8.8" section and 8" tread widths. The extra width of the A048s could be the straw that broke the camel's back so measurements/experimentation would definitely be in order.

All that said, there's little comparison between the S.Drive and the A048. If you're just after looks rather than performance, all is well. Otherwise, consider something else other than the S.Drive, such as the Falken Azenis RT-615K in 205/40-16.

nilfinite
03-25-2014, 12:23 PM
I would also love to know if 225s would rub. I'm running 205 on the stock 16" wheels right now. The 225s can be shoehorned onto the 16x6.5 stock wheels, it'd just require a lot of effort to mount. Wear would probably be accelerated a tiny bit as well.

Easiest way I can think of would be to ask a tire shop to test fit a 225 onto the wheels and see if they rub.

If you do end up going for 225s, get these: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+ZII&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=245WR6Z2&tab=Specs

SailDesign
03-25-2014, 03:36 PM
The A048s in a 225/45 are spec'd for 7" to 8.5" wheels. Stockers are 6.5"

shadowshaggy
03-25-2014, 05:44 PM
They also make a 195/50R16 in the A048's as well, so that's an option.

Gotta know tho, no love for Yokohama around here? I'm looking into a certain "deal" on a set of Yoko's, and trying to decide which set I want to use for the Auto-X season. I really dig the A048's, but as it isn't my dime I have to check the options ;)

jguerdat
03-26-2014, 07:24 AM
I like Yokos just fine. It's the exact sizing that's an issue, with both diameter and width being foremost.

shadowshaggy
03-26-2014, 10:00 AM
I am fine with the 195/50, but if fitment of the 225 works out then that is definitely going on :)

nilfinite
04-16-2014, 06:22 PM
Have you experimented with the 225s by chance?

shadowshaggy
04-16-2014, 06:36 PM
Not had an opportunity yet, got my paperwork submitted and playing hurry up and wait to see how that's gonna work out. This car will have a set of 225's sooner or later on it, probably not on the stock wheels - but that's to be determined also. I'm a fan of extra meat on the wheel as opposed to the "stretch" non-sense, not my thing - kinda trips me out to see stretched tires....

If I get a wider set of wheels, probably still 16's - maybe 17's tho for tire selection, I'll be running 225/35R17 if I get 17's or a 225/45R16 if I stick with 16's. Either a more offset wheel will be required or a small set of spacers. I don't plan on sticking this car on the pavement like 2 cars ago (you had to lay down to see sunlight at the other end of the car :) pinch welds were 1.5" off the ground, tucked almost 1/2" of tire on 205/40/17's - Focus sedan) so I'm not too worried about rubbing on the outside. If that happens, or I feel like it may happen - to the body shop and roll the fenders gr_grin but this thing will set on 225's before it's over with.

shagghie
04-16-2014, 07:50 PM
I don't think you can do much better than the ZII's in 215... Hit up Littleevil if you want another opinion on them, but I had them on the 17x7 OZ and ZOMG talk about stopping power and grip for days. I've since gone to stretched S-drives on 9" rims and not nearly as solid an experience, although I think others would be surprised just how well this set up is handling overall, certainly better than the P-nero's! If you aren't lowered you shouldn't rub on the 215's. But lowered, you probably well in the rear. I'd recommend pulling the rears and rolling them too. And then rolling the front fenders too. Even doing all of that, I still rub on the rear with only 195 rubber (stretched to 9" rim, but still).

225 is a lot of rubber... 215 was almost too much grip for my tastes, even with all the hardware mods I have and a piggy. I wouldn't want 225 even if I could fit them, in other words, personally. Really depends on taste and driving style though. I like things a little loose.

shadowshaggy
04-16-2014, 08:39 PM
Right now I've got Eibach Pros, and thats the only suspension mod for now. You rub because of wheel width/offset combo. I plan on keeping the tire im as much as possible, but again - will cross that bridge soon enough and provide pics when I do.

shagghie
04-16-2014, 08:48 PM
i rubbed with ZII,s 215/40/17 on 17x7 with stock offset, and that's with rolled fronts and pulled rears...

shadowshaggy
04-16-2014, 09:16 PM
Well those are quite taller than factory from what I gather.

shagghie
04-16-2014, 10:09 PM
thought of one more tip... when test fitting, fit both sides. My passenger side rubs 10x more than my driver's side, and others have same issue... an Abarth quirk.

shadowshaggy
04-16-2014, 10:54 PM
Yup am aware of this, gonna order probably 3 sets of spacers; or at least have Ron make a few sets (Hey Ron, make me a few pair of spacers....)