Tweak
01-01-2014, 12:46 PM
Okay, FINALLY!
I have been waiting to make a decision until a few things happened and I wanted to share my thoughts with the forum and hopefully we can make a move into the new year with a new attitude and atmosphere here on the forum.
There has been a lot of back and forth with a few members as of late, specifically Matt (mnueman) and John (Torkme). What may not be known is Chris and I have spoken at great length about this but because of his schedule it sometimes takes awhile for our exchanges to move forward. Additionally I spoke again at great length with Matt and John (to a degree) about matters and I was aware that Matt wished to speak with Chris which has now happened as well.
I have come to the conclusion there is no single answer that will leave everyone completely satisfied but the goal is to try to create the best atmosphere possibly for the majority. As of right now Matt and John appear to have come to a truce if you will and await some tangible proof one way or the other and then proceed with their thoughts and opinions at that time. I noticed a little spat in the Dyno thread where Matt made a post and as of late due to the nature of his posts it was taken wrong according to my conversation with him.
Matt has been a long standing member of this and the "red" forum for a long time and until fairly recently he hasn't been a problem member which is a major factor as to why he did get Infractions and Warnings as well as PMs sent about the issue at the time. Some of what he stated while I disagree with the method of presenting it was valid and that has been shown by other members posing the same or nearly the same types of questions, they did manage to do so in a far less problematic way however. All this becomes a factor and now that I know Matt and Chris have spoken and enough has been said on my part to Matt about my thoughts plus the fact we have nearly reached the end of 2013 I decided to make this post and if for some reason Chris does not agree he is as always free to remove, edit, or change anything that may come about such as warnings, infractions or even bans once this has been stated and people either adjust or continue their current attitudes towards one another and the forum.
I am NOT a guy that likes to ban, warn or even have to make mention of these things and would much rather have people converse and express until which time the thread and posts have reached a point nothing more is gained. I have no problem when that point is reached with closing a thread in an effort to get things back to a better place and to help keep members from going so far off the rails it results in bans they'd almost never have brought upon themselves otherwise. I truly think I am about as fair as they come and I don't want to come off as some jerk or a dictator type but I have seen post after post and report after report and finally all I was waiting for has come and gone. The options are clear to me, make your point but do so with tact and respect for one another, at some point accept the fact you may have to move on at least for awhile and hope what you'd like to see answered gets answered.
As vendors a large expectation is upon you to offer the best you can and back it up with proof and support, as a member you too have a responsibility to ask questions and expect answers but we don't always get what we want on either side. It may take some time but I think in the end the good and bad will get sorted out but acting out and creating more problems is not the solution so please let's not do that anymore if possible. At some point the problem becomes you get asked to do something and you show disrespect for your fellow members and the staff as well as the owner that intends a place for all to enjoy our passion for the car we all share this obsession with for a lack of better words. That disrespect can't be tolerated but for so long so if you get warned or an infraction or a ban it may not be because you have been censored and the question you asked was an issue, it may simply be you lack the respect you should try to convey and a break or reminder is in need.
As cheesy and laughable as you might find this I always try to be very respectful of all members and live with a goal of being very peaceful and courteous to each and every one of you, laugh at this pic but if we all try to do our best to keep it in mind maybe we can all enjoy this forum and the hope of greats things for our cars and lives in 2014.
Thank you.
http://i43.tinypic.com/6i5f6t.jpg
I have been waiting to make a decision until a few things happened and I wanted to share my thoughts with the forum and hopefully we can make a move into the new year with a new attitude and atmosphere here on the forum.
There has been a lot of back and forth with a few members as of late, specifically Matt (mnueman) and John (Torkme). What may not be known is Chris and I have spoken at great length about this but because of his schedule it sometimes takes awhile for our exchanges to move forward. Additionally I spoke again at great length with Matt and John (to a degree) about matters and I was aware that Matt wished to speak with Chris which has now happened as well.
I have come to the conclusion there is no single answer that will leave everyone completely satisfied but the goal is to try to create the best atmosphere possibly for the majority. As of right now Matt and John appear to have come to a truce if you will and await some tangible proof one way or the other and then proceed with their thoughts and opinions at that time. I noticed a little spat in the Dyno thread where Matt made a post and as of late due to the nature of his posts it was taken wrong according to my conversation with him.
Matt has been a long standing member of this and the "red" forum for a long time and until fairly recently he hasn't been a problem member which is a major factor as to why he did get Infractions and Warnings as well as PMs sent about the issue at the time. Some of what he stated while I disagree with the method of presenting it was valid and that has been shown by other members posing the same or nearly the same types of questions, they did manage to do so in a far less problematic way however. All this becomes a factor and now that I know Matt and Chris have spoken and enough has been said on my part to Matt about my thoughts plus the fact we have nearly reached the end of 2013 I decided to make this post and if for some reason Chris does not agree he is as always free to remove, edit, or change anything that may come about such as warnings, infractions or even bans once this has been stated and people either adjust or continue their current attitudes towards one another and the forum.
I am NOT a guy that likes to ban, warn or even have to make mention of these things and would much rather have people converse and express until which time the thread and posts have reached a point nothing more is gained. I have no problem when that point is reached with closing a thread in an effort to get things back to a better place and to help keep members from going so far off the rails it results in bans they'd almost never have brought upon themselves otherwise. I truly think I am about as fair as they come and I don't want to come off as some jerk or a dictator type but I have seen post after post and report after report and finally all I was waiting for has come and gone. The options are clear to me, make your point but do so with tact and respect for one another, at some point accept the fact you may have to move on at least for awhile and hope what you'd like to see answered gets answered.
As vendors a large expectation is upon you to offer the best you can and back it up with proof and support, as a member you too have a responsibility to ask questions and expect answers but we don't always get what we want on either side. It may take some time but I think in the end the good and bad will get sorted out but acting out and creating more problems is not the solution so please let's not do that anymore if possible. At some point the problem becomes you get asked to do something and you show disrespect for your fellow members and the staff as well as the owner that intends a place for all to enjoy our passion for the car we all share this obsession with for a lack of better words. That disrespect can't be tolerated but for so long so if you get warned or an infraction or a ban it may not be because you have been censored and the question you asked was an issue, it may simply be you lack the respect you should try to convey and a break or reminder is in need.
As cheesy and laughable as you might find this I always try to be very respectful of all members and live with a goal of being very peaceful and courteous to each and every one of you, laugh at this pic but if we all try to do our best to keep it in mind maybe we can all enjoy this forum and the hope of greats things for our cars and lives in 2014.
Thank you.
http://i43.tinypic.com/6i5f6t.jpg