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Fatandre
11-12-2013, 06:32 AM
I have a fiat 500 Pop. Can I get more powerfrom it and what is available?

bschirm
11-12-2013, 07:48 AM
Abarth

bryanintowson
11-12-2013, 11:42 AM
Yes and no. You aren't going to see any "real" horsepower gains without going for a Turbo or Abarth model.

What you can do to improve throttle response is get a cold air intake (Mopar or other brand name with a water check valve) start using premium fuel if you aren't already (FIAT recommends at least 91 octane) and look for a freer flowing exhaust. That's about all you can do without getting the chips reflashed which I don't recommend.

You may get a 2-5hp gain at the wheels but the throttle response will be noticeably better and it will be a bit noisier.

Fatandre
11-12-2013, 01:06 PM
So I guess I will just have to swap in a Abarth motor.
Plenty of those for sale where I live.

Robert Nixon
11-12-2013, 02:15 PM
no, it's the same motor, just with a turbo added.

MADNESSLuckyJay
11-12-2013, 03:58 PM
I always suggest to start with intake/exhaust combo, changes the sound and performance of the vehicle, and something you will notice!

http://shop.500madness.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=299&product_id=1648

http://shop.500madness.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=309

trevc
11-12-2013, 04:43 PM
Take a look at the Road Race Motorsports offerings - their intakes and timing controller for the non-turbo engine are very popular
http://roadracemotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=76_77&products_id=1106

Felnus
11-12-2013, 06:12 PM
While it doesn't add power, a Sprint Booster or similar product is a must-have for the non turbo 500s (and the turbo ones too unless you are running the latest/greatest piggyback) improves drive-ability immensely.

Andree
11-12-2013, 09:26 PM
So I guess I will just have to swap in a Abarth motor.
Plenty of those for sale where I live.

Your car is a special edition! And the Abarth has a much larger front end to handle the intercooler, etc, won't fit in the Pop/Lounge America version you have. You have a very unique car! Don't mess with it. Well, that's just my opinion, you can do whatever you want. We can't get that model here in the US, and would have to do a lot of part switching to be able to create one like yours. The wheels we could get a hold of, but ours are PAINTED either black or white on the inner parts, we don't have the pure silver like you do. We'd have to import somehow the stripes and mirror covers. We'd not have the special badge.

I don't know why we couldn't have gotten that version in the US, as it IS the America version. I really like the combo of colors, the dash, seats, even the mirror caps. Very neat car to have.

Andree
11-12-2013, 09:33 PM
And I'm calling it a "Pop/Lounge" because it has a lot of goodies on it that the Lounge model comes with in the US. Like the fog lights and the chrome bumper accents front and rear. Also has the hood spear that is only included on special versions here (like the Gucci), or can be added on. But inside, it has the Pop Seats, which work perfectly with the design.

The America also has the auto temp control too:
http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/geneva/2012/1203_2012_geneva_fiat_500_special_editions/photo_13.html

Fiat500USA
11-12-2013, 10:23 PM
Our friend has a European 500 (Fiat 500 Nation America (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/12/fiat-500-nation-america.html) ) which is not equipped with the MultiAir engine. It may have a TwinAir, 1.2L, 1.4L or 1.3L diesel.

The car comes with special trim however, auto climate is optional on the Nation America, manual A/C is standard.

Tweak
11-12-2013, 11:57 PM
no, it's the same motor, just with a turbo added.

The Abarth has forged internals, the Pop does not.


Take a look at the Road Race Motorsports offerings - their intakes and timing controller for the non-turbo engine are very popular
http://roadracemotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=76_77&products_id=1106


While it doesn't add power, a Sprint Booster or similar product is a must-have for the non turbo 500s (and the turbo ones too unless you are running the latest/greatest piggyback) improves drive-ability immensely.

If it is the 1.4 MultiAir these are good ideas and Jay has provided some links above as well for a portion of this setup or "recipe" for power.

Fiat500USA
11-13-2013, 12:58 AM
Actually, the Pop does have the forged crank and rods (Inside the 2012 Fiat 500 Engine (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/08/inside-2012-fiat-500-engine.html)). The piston pins are full floating on the Abarth and press fit on the Pop (2012 Fiat 500 Abarth Review (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/03/2012-fiat-500-abarth-review.html))

Andree
11-13-2013, 01:53 AM
Our friend has a European 500 (Fiat 500 Nation America (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/12/fiat-500-nation-america.html) ) which is not equipped with the MultiAir engine. It may have a TwinAir, 1.2L, 1.4L or 1.3L diesel.

The car comes with special trim however, auto climate is optional on the Nation America, manual A/C is standard.

Do you have a link to an info page that tells all about the Nation America cars, what they came with standard and what was optional? The mats are cool with the red/blue 500. And the center wheel caps on the white version that have blue accents, those would look nice on any red, white, or blue car! We can get red, but not the blue.

That's a good looking car.

Fiat500USA
11-13-2013, 11:40 AM
Just this (Fiat 500 Nation America (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/12/fiat-500-nation-america.html)), plus a few more images in my archives.

lammie200
11-13-2013, 12:49 PM
I have a fiat 500 Pop. Can I get more powerfrom it and what is available?

You can see what I have done by looking at my signature. I don't know what I have added to my car with respect to horsepower numbers or torque numbers, but it responds quicker, accelerates smoother and pulls better up hills than when it was plain stock. It is also loads more fun to drive. If I were on a tight budget and just wanted to deal with engine performance I would do the following in this order:

1. Go-pedal or sprint booster;
2. Drop in air filter like a BMC;
3. Exhaust like a cat-back Magnaflow 15088 that opens up all the piping to 2.25". (Also the Maganflow is fairly quiet if that is a concern);
4. Timing controller from Road Race Motorsports.
5. Underdrive or lightweight pulley system.

I assume that you have a Multi-Air 1.4 engine. I hope this info helps.

Tweak
11-13-2013, 12:58 PM
Actually, the Pop does have the forged crank and rods (Inside the 2012 Fiat 500 Engine (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2011/08/inside-2012-fiat-500-engine.html)). The piston pins are full floating on the Abarth and press fit on the Pop (2012 Fiat 500 Abarth Review (http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/03/2012-fiat-500-abarth-review.html))

Still the main idea I was intending to convey comes across, not the same engine entirely. Thanks for the clarification!

Fatandre
11-13-2013, 03:51 PM
And I'm calling it a "Pop/Lounge" because it has a lot of goodies on it that the Lounge model comes with in the US. Like the fog lights and the chrome bumper accents front and rear. Also has the hood spear that is only included on special versions here (like the Gucci), or can be added on. But inside, it has the Pop Seats, which work perfectly with the design.

The America also has the auto temp control too:
http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/geneva/2012/1203_2012_geneva_fiat_500_special_editions/photo_13.html

Mine does not have the auto control, but it is easy to get a hold of if its just switching that panel. What about electrics, has there to be done any rewiring? I can have this for 50 dollars

http://img18.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/36/30/71/99/3630719919

I am also the second owner and dont have those mats. You think I can order them? There is no Fiat dealer in Iceland so I would have to import them

I quite dont know which eengine I have. I just wanted the USA car and bought what was available. How is it best to check?

lammie200
11-13-2013, 04:21 PM
I quite dont know which eengine I have. I just wanted the USA car and bought what was available. How is it best to check?

What does the engine cover say?

Andree
11-13-2013, 07:11 PM
I don't know about the mechanics, sorry. It's kind of a rare car, so I don't know the availability of parts. I did send a quick message to Fiat via Twitter, hoping they had an idea.

I'm still looking around to see if I can find more info. But because they weren't available in the US, I'm not finding much.

This isn't helpful, but has some neat stuff, it's the Fiat accessories Europe: http://store.fiat.com/gb_en/clothing.html

Edit, pic of white convertible interior here:
http://www.alfisti.gr/forum/showthread.php?p=1473670

Andree
11-13-2013, 07:30 PM
A few more photos from Fiatontheweb Flickr of the blue hatch America:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fiat/sets/72157629538554541/

And their main page with all kinds of photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fiat/sets/

rnddude
11-14-2013, 10:59 AM
Do what this guy did...

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?12667-So-I-Got-Rid-Of-My-Pop-Today

Fatandre
11-14-2013, 01:03 PM
All of you can get an Abarth :P
How many have the America edition? :D
I am thinking about adding a turbo if that would be available.
I just like the looks and color

rnddude
11-14-2013, 02:02 PM
Seems it would be easier/cheaper to make an Abarth look like an America edition that to make a pop perform like an Abarth....

Andree
11-14-2013, 04:39 PM
All of you can get an Abarth :P
How many have the America edition? :D
I am thinking about adding a turbo if that would be available.
I just like the looks and color

I know you'd like to have it all, but sometimes you have to make the choice between THIS or THAT. Unless you're wealthy, then you can do whatever you want. You have a unique car, one of 500, that was only available in Europe. A car that probably would have sold very well in the US, but we couldn't get them.

You can appreciate the car for what it is, which is a limited edition. And over time, the car may become one of only a few left. When the cars are limited and in original condition, they have more collectible value. Starting to add on other things to make it into something it isn't lowers the value in the long run.

If it turns out you really want a turbo vehicle, sell your car, and buy a turbo. Then you get all the associated items, like the different suspension and brakes and seats, etc.

Enjoy what you have now, and later on you can enjoy another car, the turbo version. And maybe, who knows, Fiat could come to Iceland!

I'd guess your closest Fiat dealer now is in Norway? Or UK area?

Here is UK Abarth site:
http://abarthcarsuk.com/abarth-cars/abarth-500/

It's separate from the regular Fiat 500s.

Andree
11-14-2013, 04:40 PM
Do what this guy did...

http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?12667-So-I-Got-Rid-Of-My-Pop-Today


There are no Fiat dealers or Abarth dealers (separate) in Iceland.

Fatandre
11-15-2013, 09:12 AM
You are right. I will just keep it stock for now.
I am trying to buy the america floor mats, but no dealer answers to my emails.

Andree
11-15-2013, 04:19 PM
You are right. I will just keep it stock for now.
I am trying to buy the america floor mats, but no dealer answers to my emails.

I got a response on Twitter, but it wasn't what I wanted. They thought I was suggesting a specs page and full detail parts catalog and it wasn't a suggestion, it was something needed for you!

It's also a hard model to track down online, as it's name, Nation America, is comprised of two extremely common words. I end up getting results for news forums and news stories about America.

Because the car is so limited, it might be very hard to track down original parts, like the mats. And they could end up being very expensive. The Gucci models are made in much higher numbers, but the parts for them are like 2-3 times more expensive.

Finding things like the side stripe, if you ever need to replace it, would be hard. It would be fairly easy to duplicate, but hard to find the original parts.

They say in the blurbs that the color is custom America Blue. It looks a lot like our Azzurro, and it's hard to tell if it IS a renamed Azzurro, or a different color altogether. That's something else to try to find out, because you might want/need touch-up paint. Or, if you ever needed it painted, you'd have to be sure it was painted the correct color.

It's a lot homework for you to do, to track down the specs, but it's also rewarding. It's easy to get totally obsessive over the originality, as many who show their cars will attest. It's a 2012 car, and already seems to be hard to find parts for. If there is a Nation America forum, I haven't found it yet. It would only be a small forum, with 1,000 people and only 500 would have a car like yours.

One thing that might be worthwhile is to look for totaled cars, cars that have been in a wreck, to see if you can salvage any of the special items from the cars. Like the mats or an extra set of mirror covers.

I'll send off a proper email today to UK Fiat, to see if they have ANY information. Okay, just sent a note through their website, and they are pretty prompt at replying. Although, it's Friday, so it might not be until next week that they reply.

I also went through the Fiat UK used cars, not a single one in the photos is a Nation America in blue.

Andree
11-15-2013, 04:46 PM
Here's a YouTube video of the blue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcSKZOB3LYY

And here's the lady on Twitter who got the first one: https://twitter.com/KanzleiKieper

Text from the TwitBid results:


It's Adelheid D. Kieper (who uses the twitter nickname of @KanzleiKieper) the winner of the TwitBid dedicated to the Fiat 500 America. With an offer of 15.165 euros, she won the TwitBid and will be awarded with the "number one" car of the exclusive limited edition run.

@KanzleiKieper is German and in her real life lives in Rosche, about 70 miles from Hamburg. She got the opportunity to buy the car after the users with the two highest offers renounced to purchase it.

The car has been assigned today during a short ceremony held in Turin, in Fiat Group Automobiles' buildings. The Fiat 500 America style draws inspiration precisely from the USA, from its mirror covers sporting stars and stripes to the metallic shade of America Blue, interior details, dedicated waistline stickers and 16" alloy wheels. Available with 69 HP 1.2 8v Euro 5 engine, the 500 America Limited Edition has a fuel consumption of 5.1 l every 100 kilometers and CO2 emissions of 119 g/km. Completing its safety equipment are ABS and EBD as standard, as well as driver and passenger airbags plus side bags. The design of the "Number 1" car given to Mrs. Kieper is personalized by a badge bearing the serial number '1/500' and twitter nickname of the winner.

During the TwitBid an unprecedented online promotion which lasted from March 1 to March 15 293 users from 11 different countries made more than 700 "twit-offers". The whole initiative registered 787 tweets with the official hashtag #500America and 140 retweets.


Here's a YouTube of the white convertible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxanSP90Xt8

Might as well add in the links to the convertible too, just in case folks want to know about both versions.

Andree
11-15-2013, 05:09 PM
Check this...

Reviewing the two videos, looking closely at the mirror caps, it appears there are TWO versions of the mirror cap. The flag mirror cap on the pearl white car is also pearl white. But the mirror cover for the blue car is a flat white:

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Look at the pinpoints of light from the overhead lighting. On the left, pinpoints show up on the white, it's a glossy white with no pearl. On the right, it's a pearl on the mirror cap, it "glows" from the light, rather than reflecting the pinpoints.

At least, that's the way it looks to me. Can you check your blue car to see if the white part of the flag covers is a glossy white or a pearl white?

Fatandre
11-15-2013, 05:58 PM
Started doing some research and found this for 15 dollars :D
Bought it right away. Original key for the America. I just have one.

http://img17.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/37/09/04/08/3709040848

Andree
11-15-2013, 09:16 PM
Oooh, good find! I didn't know they had special covers.

And it's a pearl white too. Looks goooooood.

Andree
11-15-2013, 09:18 PM
Did you check your mirror covers yet? Is the white part glossy paint or is it a pearl white, like the key covers?

Andree
11-16-2013, 02:01 AM
Found mirror covers on eBay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Fiat-500-USA-America-Stars-Stripes-painted-mirror-caps-limited-edition-/370699059243?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item564f62c02b

Fatandre
11-16-2013, 08:07 AM
Mine is plain white. No pearl in it

Andree
11-16-2013, 04:45 PM
Thanks.

Somewhere, at Fiat, there should be a parts list with numbers, showing all the special parts of both versions.

When I was searching, I found a post in TEXAS USA, about someone wanting the glossy white (not pearl) America flag covers for their car. They said it was a "must have" for a Fiat 500. And I'm thinking, good luck with that, those original Fiat parts will never be found easily in the US.

Fiat should at least make the flag mirror covers available, in the gloss white, which would have many applications. White, red, blue cars, all could use the same covers. Even Abarth could use them on the white or red cars.

You definitely have a collectible car.

How's the gas mileage? I still don't know what engine you have. We don't get a lot of engine variety in the US, Europe gets all the variety.

Fatandre
11-16-2013, 06:16 PM
I think its a 1.4 twin air.
Looks like this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/FIAT_500_1.2_Engine.jpg

Andree
11-16-2013, 10:26 PM
It looks brand new! Oh, it's a Wiki picture. And it says 1.2 : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FIAT_500_1.2_Engine.jpg

On the car engine pictures I've seen, it says something on the top.

Oh, I guess everyone has DIFFERENT COVERS too. Here's a link showing a US and a European engine cover:
http://www.fiat500usa.com/2010/12/2012-fiat-500-improved-and-refined-part.html

Then there's this flex fuel one in Brazil:
http://www.fiat500usa.com/search/label/Fiat%20Brazil

Abarth here has this red one with a scorpion:
http://www.fiat500usa.com/2012/09/fiat-500-abarth-oil-change.html

Andree
11-16-2013, 10:38 PM
The Wiki picture is from this person's Flickr, and they have 4 pages of wheeled goodness. Fiats, old and new. Horse and buggy. Trucks. Double decker buses. Scooters, motorcycles, even a few model cars. A little fun photo browsing for a Saturday night!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nox_noctis_silentium/sets/72157608197596818/

Be sure to check out the "X-ray Mini" on page three. And the orange car's back end that appears to be rocket-powered.

Fatandre
11-17-2013, 09:45 AM
My Bay is the same. It is just as clean as I just got it detailed :D
Anyway, it seams to be a 1.2 engine. It is so slow :D

Andree
11-17-2013, 04:20 PM
My Bay is the same. It is just as clean as I just got it detailed :D
Anyway, it seams to be a 1.2 engine. It is so slow :D

But the gas mileage should be astounding. About 55 US mpg, or 65 imp gallon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500_%282007%29

All the money you save on gas, you can put away for a future turbo version.

Some cars are made to race around in, some cars are made to cruise around in. Yours is the latter. So is mine, for that matter. I probably would have gone for your engine or the TwinAir one, because I don't need to "go fast". I just need to "go". Go to the store, go to do errands, go to appointments. For me, it's transportation, and not a race car. And it's very stylish and much more comfortable than my last car. I get an emotional lift, mood improvement, from just seeing the car, driving the car. That whole dashboard area is pleasing to the eye.

And many of the things I enjoy about the car are pretty much the same on all the models. The shapes, styling.

So treasure your collectible car now, and learn all you can about it, and the other models. Then in the future, you'll know what you want to get, and what you want to test drive. Perhaps Fiat will get around to opening up at least ONE dealership where you are. Then you can try out all the models and figure out which one you like the most. You can compare costs for the car, for the gas, for the insurance ahead of time. I did that, and it helped me choose.

Maybe you'll end up with TWO Fiats. Your collectible and a Turbo model. One for cruising around, and one for zipping around. ;)

Fatandre
11-18-2013, 01:27 PM
I actually have one car that the fiat saves gas for. V12 5.6 liters is no joke :D
The Fiat will be stock. I just have to find the mats and all is good.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m585/andpgud/BMW%20850%20new%20start/DSC_0870_zpsfe0fd261.jpg

Andree
11-18-2013, 06:43 PM
I don't know what that is, but no wonder you think the Fiat is slow! Just drive the Pop now for awhile and when you get back into the V12, it will be scary fast.

I like the yellow on the garage, just that one section. Very Mondrian.

Tweak
11-18-2013, 11:02 PM
I don't know what that is, but no wonder you think the Fiat is slow! Just drive the Pop now for awhile and when you get back into the V12, it will be scary fast.

I like the yellow on the garage, just that one section. Very Mondrian.

According to the front end... BMW V12 (late 90's). :cool:

Andree
11-19-2013, 12:46 AM
According to the front end... BMW V12 (late 90's). :cool:

I found it! : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E31

It has lights that pop out of the hood too!

Tweak
11-19-2013, 01:09 AM
I found it! : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E31

It has lights that pop out of the hood too!

I think it is a really cool looking car personally! :cool:

Fatandre
11-20-2013, 03:20 PM
Its a BMW 850CSI

The yellow part is a timberplate put where there was a class window since it was broken.
The garage will be demolished and a new one built
Its really messy.

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m585/andpgud/BMW%20850%20new%20start/DSC_12832_zpsc0f61933.jpg

TorkMe
11-20-2013, 08:07 PM
I have a fiat 500 Pop. Can I get more powerfrom it and what is available?

We hope to have a 1.4 non turbo 500 in the shop soon and start looking at what the tune may give. If we can get 10 to 15 additional horsepower from the tune, we will release it for everyone. If not, I don't see a real benefit to releasing a tune that give less than 10% gains.

Keen an eye in our section for the results of the N/A 1.4 tune.

Thanks,

John

Fatandre
11-21-2013, 12:16 PM
Only thing is I have a 1.2 Fiat

TorkMe
12-09-2013, 07:23 PM
Only thing is I have a 1.2 Fiat

We should be able to tune that ECU as well.

Tweak
12-09-2013, 08:23 PM
We should be able to tune that ECU as well.

Isn't the 1.2 using the Bosche ECU? I was thinking it was different (and easier it is said often).

RoadRace
01-10-2014, 04:27 PM
We can totally help you out with power for that car. We have proven to make great gains from even an exhaust system. Look at our flickr page, There are dynos there but there are also dynos up next to our products.

Check out this performance page for your POP/SPORT.

http://roadracemotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=76&zenid=1gp7kning1vfq901uru6ugn9a5

ROAD/RACE