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AudiGuy
10-30-2013, 09:12 AM
Hi guys, just wondering what it would take to fit 18s on an abarth. Ive seen it on a few, but it looks like fenders need to be modded. Any info would be great. If you are running 18s, please post up a few pics. Id like to see how well they fill out the wheel well.

Ryephile
10-30-2013, 10:38 AM
Fender work would depend on tire size and offset. Run a 215/35-18 and 35mm offset and you shouldn't have any troubles unless you decide to slam it.

AudiGuy
10-30-2013, 10:54 AM
Thats interesting. Im having trouble finding anything in that size. Do you know of anyone that sells reasonably priced wheels in that fitment? Im kinda looking for something staggered.

Ryephile
10-30-2013, 11:04 AM
Well there are plenty of that size tire, but wheels you're on your own there. 500 Madness offers some 18's. Staggered though? You're heading off into VWVortex land with that one. Look up member nojeebs, he did a custom 17" 3-piece staggered set of AG's on his Abarth, and that's real money.

Aftermarket is one facet that's really weak with this car. This is a tiny market space and the offerings are minimal.

If money is a factor, consider sticking with the handful of 17" offerings in a square setup. Otherwise prepare for full cu$tom.

AudiGuy
10-30-2013, 11:25 AM
This market will change. Its just that this platform is still in its infancy. Once the tuning world gets wind of the Abarth as a performer, it WILL grow. There are a few companies that I know well that I can get interested in the Abarth. Ive made quite a few friends in the custom/tuning world. I can get some quality people on board. My buddy Gonzo from Gonzo tuning is aching to get his hands on an abarth. Hes the one that did my E85 and stage III tune on the TT. Hes got some impressive tuning skills, and his tunes out perform ALL the big name tuners. I also have quite a good stable of guys that can fab/make/design anything. So if I do get one, Ill be trying to help advance the market for us.

As far as wheels, 17s might be fine. But its definitely going to need a drop. I might be open to a staggered set of 17s LMs or LM "style" preferred.

Oh, Word?
10-30-2013, 11:39 AM
Get some 4x100 wheels and wobble bolts your options will be slightly better but finding 4 lug 18s isn't so easy. 17s are a lot easier to find in 4x100 and staggard. As for offsets I haven't really figured out what works well yet but that's ask very dependent on whether you want flush/poke/stock look.

DuckDodgers
10-30-2013, 11:50 AM
I was tempted to reply asking why you wanted more than 17" rims from a ride standpoint, but now staggered? Fitting staggered rims on a FWD car is senseless UNLESS you put the bigger rims on the front...and then it looks crazy bad anyway. The Abarth already has an understeering habit, putting staggered wheels on it with the fatter wheels to the back will simply make this much worse. The handling in the rain would go from moderate to very maginal/dangerous (fatter tires on the back being more prone to hydroplanning...and the rear being light on the Abarth anyway [~64/36]).

On the ride side, if you do it, make sure to go with the lightest rims you can to help offset the heavier tires.

Toad
10-30-2013, 01:01 PM
Staggered and reasonably priced don't go in the same sentence. Plus if you want wider wheels you would have a better chance of finding 17's that fit this car. If the car in question was a Porsche then you could get 20" staggered with a 4" lip but you'd probably have to sell the fiat to afford those :sad:

AudiGuy
10-30-2013, 01:25 PM
I was tempted to reply asking why you wanted more than 17" rims from a ride standpoint, but now staggered? Fitting staggered rims on a FWD car is senseless UNLESS you put the bigger rims on the front...and then it looks crazy bad anyway. The Abarth already has an understeering habit, putting staggered wheels on it with the fatter wheels to the back will simply make this much worse. The handling in the rain would go from moderate to very maginal/dangerous (fatter tires on the back being more prone to hydroplanning...and the rear being light on the Abarth anyway [~64/36]).
On the ride side, if you do it, make sure to go with the lightest rims you can to help offset the heavier tires.
The only real disadvantage would be understeer. Which can be diealed out with a stiffer rear sway bar or changes to the geometry of the front control arms. Considering the advancements in todays tires, hydroplaning isnt as much of an issue.

Staggered and reasonably priced don't go in the same sentence. Plus if you want wider wheels you would have a better chance of finding 17's that fit this car. If the car in question was a Porsche then you could get 20" staggered with a 4" lip but you'd probably have to sell the fiat to afford those :sad:
17s are def much easier to find. So are 4x100. I did find these that look pretty good..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/17X7-5-STR601-4X100-114-3-40MM-GOLD-WHEELS-FITS-MINI-COOPER-1999-2013-/330960360147?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item4d0ec652d3&vxp=mtr

musicsurf
10-30-2013, 01:40 PM
The only real disadvantage would be understeer. Which can be diealed out with a stiffer rear sway bar or changes to the geometry of the front control arms. Considering the advancements in todays tires, hydroplaning isnt as much of an issue.

17s are def much easier to find. So are 4x100. I did find these that look pretty good..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/17X7-5-STR601-4X100-114-3-40MM-GOLD-WHEELS-FITS-MINI-COOPER-1999-2013-/330960360147?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item4d0ec652d3&vxp=mtr

I'm not positive, but I don't think you will get away with that offset.

AudiGuy
10-30-2013, 01:52 PM
I'm not positive, but I don't think you will get away with that offset.

I figured as much. BTW, where is Palm Bay? Ive got a car meet BBQ coming up on 11/16/13 if youre up for the trip. Would be a good chance for me to see a modded Abarth too.

DuckDodgers
10-30-2013, 03:29 PM
The only real disadvantage would be understeer. Which can be diealed out with a stiffer rear sway bar or changes to the geometry of the front control arms. Considering the advancements in todays tires, hydroplaning isnt as much of an issue.

I'm gonna say you're mistaken on that. Performance tires aren't rain tires, and a wider tire hydroplanes more than a narrower tire. With 64% of the weight on the front tires, increasing the natural hydroplaning behavior of the rear tires is a plan for disaster. Given the already somewhat tail-happy nature of the Abarth, I cannot imagine what it might do in the rain as you brake (further unloading the rear tires) and then make any steering input (although a snap spin into the ditch/wall/traffic comes to mind).

AudiGuy
10-30-2013, 03:39 PM
Yes, all of that is true. But you CAN get a good wet performance tire that can reduce hydroplaning. And Im a fan of tail happy. Just not wrap-it-around-a-tree-happy

redred
10-30-2013, 03:46 PM
HRE will custom make you a set with the proper 4 x 98 bolt pattern, etc... However, they are VERY pricey. They look amazing though!


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk263/staceydodds/ScreenShot2013-09-24at101950AM_zpsa76a522d.png


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk263/staceydodds/ScreenShot2013-09-24at102008AM_zps1989bb6f.png


Those are the P40S series in 18"

They also offer another series called the C70 which can be made in a 17" wheel


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk263/staceydodds/HREC70_zpse9eeac56.jpg

AudiGuy
10-30-2013, 03:48 PM
Yeah, HRE are great. The price though...

redred
10-30-2013, 03:50 PM
Yeah.... $1,600 per wheel is a little out of my range ;)

Oh, Word?
10-30-2013, 05:43 PM
I spent $610 a piece for the wheels I had on my srt4, not sure if I'd do it again but my baller points were through the roof. 2 piece full polish with stainless lips, nearly indestructible.

As for staggered wheels on a fwd car, I say go for it if you don't plan on tracking it. I've driven staggered sets on many many fwd cars with stretched tires and it makes hardly any difference, I'd be surprised if someone drove a car with staggered wheels and one without and could tell the difference around town. Does it make sense, no, does it look great, it sure does.

I think everyone jumps the gun when they heard staggered and fwd their mind immediately turns to hellaflush and all driveability will be gone and the car will be useless. While this is the case with some cars, for the most part it makes no difference and if your happy then go with it.

Juair
10-30-2013, 06:32 PM
wobble bolts

It's safe to run this bolts on a car??

Oh, Word?
10-30-2013, 10:01 PM
Yes, as long as there quality bolts. 3 of my friends daily drove wobble bolted cars and have had no issues, one of them is going on 4 years now.

nojeebs
10-30-2013, 10:30 PM
Ahhhh! Staggered?! wtf mate. Ok I'm done trolling. Back to BF4.

shagghie
10-30-2013, 10:38 PM
Ahhhh! Staggered?! wtf mate. Ok I'm done trolling. Back to BF4.


ROFL.... they have staggered tanks, but you have to be careful in them because it will unbalance the turret and send the tank into a landmine.

AudiGuy
10-31-2013, 08:15 AM
I know the staggered/stretch/poke debate well. As you can see by the TT, I didnt really buy into it. The TT is in the same boat. Its mainly a FWD car. And on top of that, changing the overall rolling diameter can cause issues with the AWD system (haldex). The "hella Flush" scene and the guys that track their TTs have some pretty heated debates over this. And dont even get me started about TTs on air. Many have walked away from that conversation butt-hurt, in the TT world. While it looks great, it does have a negative impact on handling. For my car, the difference between front and rear would be minimal. 1/2" to 1" at most. Not something that is going to be noticeable. I could be wrong. Im not aiming for Porsche fitment (10"+ in the rear).

AudiGuy
10-31-2013, 11:01 AM
I'm not positive, but I don't think you will get away with that offset.

What is the offset of the stock wheels?

Found it. I believe its 35. And Im looking at these 2..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/17X7-5-STR601-4X100-114-3-40MM-GOLD-WHEELS-FITS-MINI-COOPER-1999-2013-/330960360147?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item4d0ec652d3&vxp=mtr

And

http://www.ebay.com/itm/17x8-17x9-17-LM-WHEELS-RIMS-4X100-ESM-004-MAZDA-/251369140319?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item3a86c4b05f&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/17x8-17x9-17-LM-WHEELS-RIMS-4X100-ESM-004-PEUGEOT-/251368511587?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item3a86bb1863&vxp=mtr

And actually I like this one..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/17-inch-XXR-530-17x7-35-offset-4x100-4x114-3-Gold-/290972394728?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item43bf4e64e8&vxp=mtr

Last one..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/17-inch-XXR-535-17x7-35-offset-4x100-4x114-3-Flat-Black-/290917251980?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Wheels&hash=item43bc04fb8c&vxp=mtr

The last 2 are 35s

djhace
10-31-2013, 03:39 PM
nice 17's. Silver/Black Tsw Mallory 4.

Juair
10-31-2013, 07:16 PM
Yes, as long as there quality bolts. 3 of my friends daily drove wobble bolted cars and have had no issues, one of them is going on 4 years now.

Thanks!!