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zyxelenator
10-29-2013, 11:10 PM
Copying my topic that I created a while ago from other forum for oil nerds. Some people may find it helpful to make a choice.
I ordered 4 different filters for my little red. Today I received 3 from amazon and 1 more Wix is coming from rockauto.
MAHLE was the most expensive. funny part was when I opened FRAM box--there was Mahle filter, as pictured on amazon. First I thought they put the wrong picture, but as you can see picture was right. So does not make sense to pay extra for the MAHLE box.
Anyway,some pics:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8265/8697132442_a0ac58a41b_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8405/8696013041_f51e59d284_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8116/8697134436_418533f685_b.jpg
MANN close up:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8126/8696014451_cf1109e265_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8397/8696015293_d731c5362e_b.jpg

Mahle close up:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8113/8697136726_a699e04913_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8113/8696016985_eff5af07ba_b.jpg
MAHLE from FRAM box:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8542/8697138148_a4b724d073_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8260/8697138744_afa5f6ab46_b.jpg
MAHLE AND FRAM MAHLE seam close up:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8537/8696053103_532bbbe324_b.jpg

Wix looks very close to stock OE filter:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8260/8702586757_62059fafea_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8116/8703707320_0d1a19b915_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8542/8703707982_414a29d27f_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8256/8702588243_63a4054be1_b.jpg

Pleat counts:
MANN- 70 including seam pleat
Both Mahle -43 including seam pleat which is smaller in size.
Wix -60 including seam

So far I like Mann the most, it looks the best. Unfortunately I did not count pleats on Factory filter, but I still have it in remote garage. Same for MOPAR filter which is installed right now. I will count pleats and post here.
So far MAHLE suxx in this application, I wonder to they make all cartridges for FRAM, since FRAM cartridges are generally more expensive, judging also by BMW and MB cartridges.
BTW MANN is 8.63 +plus free prime delivery from Amazon.
Mopar runs about $8 from dealers, Wix was under $8 including shipping,FRAM 12.23 +prime free shipping, MAHLE 14.44+ prime shipping.

Fiat500USA
10-29-2013, 11:58 PM
I checked out an STP filter - it was made by Mahle and had the same sloppy looking seam. That was pretty disapointing, considering I have ocasionally used them in my Audi (I normally use Mann filters) The Original filter looks much better and was cheaper, too!

zyxelenator
10-30-2013, 12:45 AM
I checked out an STP filter - it was made by Mahle and had the same sloppy looking seam. That was pretty disapointing, considering I have ocasionally used them in my Audi (I normally use Mann filters) The Original filter looks much better and was cheaper, too!
What was it's price? I prefer Manns also, but Champ really surprised me last oil change on 550i. It was really well done for $5.60. Usually filters cost $12-26 for this bimmer.
Mahle usually makes very good filters, but it seems it's not the case with 500s. You can get better filter significantly cheaper.

Abarth Phreak
10-30-2013, 01:16 AM
Did any of those filters come with a new housing seal like the Mopar unit does? That is worth just a bit more to me. Also, without knowing the filter pass efficiencies, I would hesitate to buy any of these as looks do not clean oil nor does the number of pleats. You really need to know how well it works. I do appreciate the posted pictures and information however, thank you.

zyxelenator
10-30-2013, 08:15 AM
Yes, they all come with seal rings. Filter ratings and delta numbers- you can always email manufacturer, they usually reply. I'm sure most of those will have better filtering rating than OE.

Ryephile
10-30-2013, 10:44 AM
Great comparison, thanks for sharing! Looks like the Mann is the big winner. I don't suppose you want to cut them apart and figure out total surface area? :friendly_wink:

zyxelenator
10-30-2013, 10:53 AM
I could after I use them, don't want to waste unused ones. Love cartrige type filters, you can see quality and what is inside right away. I still do cut open filter for other cars and its messy

Fiat500USA
10-30-2013, 11:29 AM
The STP filter was like $18 at AutoZone. Way too much.

Here is the OE Filter: 65 pleats

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nfj92lzJP3A/UnEksKzTFmI/AAAAAAAAS1Y/UcYi4k1tL80/s640/Fiat500USA.com-oil_filter.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pl86KJo2Zpo/UnEknKFEtoI/AAAAAAAAS1Q/jGwlKV8g4IE/s640/Fiat500USA.com-oil_filter-2.jpg

zyxelenator
10-30-2013, 02:31 PM
For that price you can get 3 Wix delivered to you, they look almost same as Mopar ( fiat box). Btw I will do oil change today and will use wix since it is so close to OE to compare how M1 0w-40 vs pennzoil ultra 0w-40 performed in my car for 8k miles.

Fiat500USA
10-30-2013, 04:06 PM
The Mahle filters are just too much. I don't think the retailers know that the factory one is so inexpensive. Having owned Italian cars all my life, I buy all my parts online so it feels good to be able to go down to the local Chrysler dealer and actually buy a part for one of my cars. Too bad my Fiat dealer is a 3 hour round trip!

streetsurfer
10-30-2013, 05:31 PM
I really wish they'd used a depth type filter rather than pleated media. I plan to install a bypass system at some point unless a depth type insert comes out to be placed in the stock canister.

n00dle
10-31-2013, 12:19 AM
I have 2 Mopar filters. I counted 66 with one and 68 pleats with the other.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/n00dle_01/500L/100_3615_zps9c7d9261.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/n00dle_01/500L/100_3614_zps6626ef68.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/n00dle_01/500L/100_3613_zps3874bec9.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/n00dle_01/500L/100_3611_zps19d97c74.jpg

steven4264
10-31-2013, 12:35 AM
For that price you can get 3 Wix delivered to you, they look almost same as Mopar ( fiat box). Btw I will do oil change today and will use wix since it is so close to OE to compare how M1 0w-40 vs pennzoil ultra 0w-40 performed in my car for 8k miles.

Where did you find Mobile 1 0w-40? I have always used M1 in all my cars and love it. All I can find around me in M1 0w-40 is labeled for Diesel trucks.

zyxelenator
10-31-2013, 12:53 AM
Where did you find Mobile 1 0w-40? I have always used M1 in all my cars and love it. All I can find around me in M1 0w-40 is labeled for Diesel trucks.
You are probably referring to Mobil1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w-40 (I have some of that too, and many other interesting and rare oils and will use later on)with bluish label, that is also good choice for our little hot running turbo engines. M1 0w-40 is considered benchmark oil among oil nerds, it performs very good in toughest conditions, used as factory fill in Porsches, BMW, Nissan GT-R, ect. it is cheaper that lots of other oils and it is easier to spot at Walmart and Meijer, first one has it from $22-26 per 5q jug. Another place to look will be Advance Auto.

steven4264
10-31-2013, 01:01 AM
You are probably referring to Mobil1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w-40 (I have some of that too, and many other interesting and rare oils and will use later on)with bluish label, that is also good choice for our little hot running turbo engines. M1 0w-40 is considered benchmark oil among oil nerds, it performs very good in toughest conditions, used as factory fill in Porsches, BMW, Nissan GT-R, ect. it is cheaper that lots of other oils and it is easier to spot at Walmart and Meijer, first one has it from $22-26 per 5q jug. Another place to look will be Advance Auto.

Yes that is what I was wondering, I got mixed up with my Audi I use the Euro blend 0w-40. Was trying to find 5w-40 for the Fiat since thats what is recommended all I saw was the Turbo Diesel 5w-40. I didn't know if it was safe to put in the Fiat.

My buddy says the Abarth sounds like a turbo diesel when it cold starts haha

zyxelenator
10-31-2013, 01:09 AM
I would say it is safe to some extend. It may void you warranty if you blow up your engine for whatever reason and they find out somehow that you used m1 (they currently don't have official fiat/Chrysler certificate). If you car uses good amount of oil it can damage(poison) cat conv in long run since diesel oils have more ZZDP additives. But you are in KY, just install catless pipe and enjoy like I did :)

steven4264
10-31-2013, 01:19 AM
We have to meet! I want to hear the catless have been debating it

Abarth Phreak
11-01-2013, 12:25 AM
Yes, they all come with seal rings. Filter ratings and delta numbers- you can always email manufacturer, they usually reply. I'm sure most of those will have better filtering rating than OE.

I wouldn't be so sure without verifying. I will see what I can dig up for them.

Fiat500USA
11-01-2013, 01:13 AM
I wouldn't be so sure without verifying. I will see what I can dig up for them.

I agree. The OE filter looks high quality, especially compared to the normally good Mahle filter. I'm sure using the OE filter for the prescribed oil change interval would be perfectly acceptable. I also think most folks would be better off spending the time being extra careful not to drop dirt and debris into the filter housing when changing the filter. I bet more problems are caused by that than by using a different name brand filter.

Abarth Phreak
11-01-2013, 11:37 PM
I agree. The OE filter looks high quality, especially compared to the normally good Mahle filter. I'm sure using the OE filter for the prescribed oil change interval would be perfectly acceptable. I also think most folks would be better off spending the time being extra careful not to drop dirt and debris into the filter housing when changing the filter. I bet more problems are caused by that than by using a different name brand filter.

Exactly why the filter efficiencies are so important. High chance of introducing contamination by design compared to closed filters. The canister set-up is nice although located in a poor position and knocking dirt or bug crud off the surrounding equipment is to easy as you work the filter in and out. Keeping it covered when exposed is a good idea. I also blow my air wand a bit around the area to blow out any loose debris.

streetsurfer
11-01-2013, 11:58 PM
Exactly why the filter efficiencies are so important. High chance of introducing contamination by design compared to closed filters. The canister set-up is nice although located in a poor position and knocking dirt or bug crud off the surrounding equipment is to easy as you work the filter in and out. Keeping it covered when exposed is a good idea. I also blow my air wand a bit around the area to blow out any loose debris.


That bears repeating.

Abarth Phreak
11-02-2013, 02:04 PM
That bears repeating.


Heck yah! But I don't want to toot my own horn about it...LOL

zyxelenator
11-06-2013, 12:43 PM
We have to meet! I want to hear the catless have been debating it
We could, but mine is 500T with stock mufler not abarth, so it sounds loud,but different.
http://youtu.be/B5R7KEmphbI

rx191
11-21-2013, 10:10 PM
I only run the stock filter, i get them mopar for the dart 1.4t and there cheap. my cost is 4.30 a filter. why are you paying double for the same filter

n00dle
11-30-2013, 09:30 PM
Here's another one for comparison. I'm not sure if the factory installed oil filters on the 500's are like this, but I pulled this one off the 500L. It's by Purflux, and it appears that this filter installed from the factory has the most filter media due to the convolutions and perhaps designed to filter as much as possible during the initial break-in miles.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo330/n00dle_01/500L/100_3899_zps05b39b92.jpg

zyxelenator
12-06-2013, 11:05 AM
I've seen pics of that one. It was claimed to be a filter for diesel Fiats in Europe by the guy from Britan.

Abarth Phreak
01-11-2014, 12:16 PM
Thought this would be a great place to add this info for those that may like to understand more about filters. Looking at a filter is a good way to check the quality of the build, but in no way does it actually indicate the true filtration performance. Please keep this in mind when reaching for that "high dollar" top shelf filter. Do your homework before purchasing. Enjoy!!!!

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/1289/oil-filter-efficiency
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/564/filter-beta-ratios
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28883/oil-filter-ratings

I am still working on obtaining the efficiency rating of the mentioned filters and stock. Also, there are a few other brands with filters available now.

Abarth Phreak
01-11-2014, 12:33 PM
Information for WIX Filter This info is from various websites - No endorsement intended and for information only.

WIX - Oil Filter

Part Number: 57341

Line: WIX
1 year limited warranty
• UPC: 765809573413
•Engine Oil Filter
•Anti-Drainback Valve Included: No
•Height (In): 3.267 Inch
•Top Outside Diameter (In): 2.551 Inch
•Bottom Outside Diameter (In): 2.551 Inch
•Thread Size: N/A
•Gasket Inside Diameter (In): 2.869 Inch
•Top Inside Diameter (In): 0.960 Inch
•Bottom Inside Diameter (In): 0.960 Inch


Detailed Description

During more than 70 years of innovation, including 1954 when we patented the first spin-on oil filter, WIX Filters has been at the forefront of oil filter technology and performance for passenger cars, light trucks, heavy trucks and buses, and off-highway vehicles. SAE J806 tests prove that WIX oil filters hold 45% more dirt than the leading national brand - meaning we keep filtering long after the competition has completely quit.

Some of the advantages of a WIX oil filter are:
•Arch-pleated, Prescription-blended Filter Media - provides a more than adequate filter area. The element has a controlled porosity blended media to assure complete filtration of the oil.
•Spin-ons use spiral-wound center tubes - provides internal element support. The spiral design greatly reduces initial flow restriction when compared to other designs.
•Coiled Spring - ensures a constant load on the inner element to maintain the seal between the upper element end cap, the inner element support, and the mounting plate even during pressure surge situations.
•Filter Canister - encloses the assembly with a mechanically-locked double seam. The canister provides ""flutes"" at the closed end for ease of removal with an oil filter wrench.
•Silicone Anti-Drainback Valve - Stays flexible in extreme temperatures, improves oil flow and keeps oil in filter to prevent engine destroying dry starts. Also provides lasting protection to meet new vehicle manufacturers longer recommended oil change schedules. Nitrile valves can harden and become ineffective over time.


Brand Information

Durning more than 70 years of innovation, including 1954 when we patented the first spin-on oil filter, WIX Filters has been at the forefront of oil filter technology and performance for passenger cars, light trucks, heavy trucks and buses, and off-highway vehicles. SAE J806 tests prove that WIX oil filters hold 45% more dirt than the leading national brand - meaning we keep filtering long after the competition has completely quit.

Some of the advantages of a WIX oil filter are:
•Arch-pleated, Prescription-blended Filter Media - provides a more than adequate filter area. The element has a controlled porosity blended media to assure complete filtration of the oil.
•Spiral-wound Center Tube - provides internal element support. The spiral design greatly reduces initial flow restriction when compared to other designs.
•Coiled Spring - ensures a constant load on the inner element to maintain the seal between the upper element end cap, the inner element support, and the mounting plate even during pressure surge situations.
•Filter Canister - encloses the assembly with a mechanically-locked double seam. The canister provides "flutes" at the closed end for ease of removal with an oil filter wrench.
•Silicone Anti-Drainback Valve - Stays flexible in extreme temperatures, improves oil flow and keeps oil in filter to prevent engine destroying dry starts. Also provides lasting protection to meet new vehicle manufacturers longer recommended oil change schedules. Nitrile valves can harden and become ineffective over time.


Manufacturer Information

WIX is one of the world's top filtration manufacturers, producing quality products for the automotive, diesel, agricultural, industrial and specialty filter markets.

They are the leader in aftermarket and original equipment filter design. Why? Because they not only design and test their filters for superior, long-lasting performance, but they also drive filter technology through our relentless commitment to product innovation. Their recent advances include:


•The industry's best performing filter for SUVs and light trucks.
•The first conical air filter developed for Ford Motor Company.
•The first combination by-pass and anti-drain back valve.
•Odor removing cabin interior air filters
•Patent-pending air filters that eliminate by-pass to improve engine performance.
•Centrifuge filters and other extended drain interval products.
•Staggered short pleat air filters for better fuel management.

WIX oil filters hold more than 45 percent more dirt than the leading national brand. We could stop here, but we're sure you want to know why.

Particle size retention (filtration efficiency)
Particle size retention is the measure of the degree to which the filter can retain particles of various sizes. WIX has developed optimum particle size retention quality in filter media through extensive engine wear tests in the real world, at the race track and in the lab. In fact, WIX media in automotive full-flow oil filters traps and holds essentially all particles larger than 25 microns (a human hair is roughly 70 microns in diameter), while capturing a high percentage of even smaller particles.

Dirt-holding capacity
Dirt-holding capacity is the amount of contaminant that can be removed and held by the filter until the filter ceases to function. The dirt-holding capacity of WIX filters is significantly larger than the minimum manufacturer requirements between oil changes, which provides you with added security that contaminants captured by the filter stay in the filter.

A low restriction to oil flow is also critical to protecting vital engine parts. All WIX full-flow oil filters for automotive and light truck applications use arch-pleated, prescription-blended media, which provides low initial restriction to oil flow - less than 2 psi pressure drop when filtering oil at a rate of 4 gallons per minute at normal operating temperatures.

zyxelenator
01-11-2014, 12:48 PM
I have two more coming, Hastings LF669 and Beck Arnley 041-0856. Will post pics later for visual comparison.

Abarth Phreak
01-12-2014, 12:43 AM
I have two more coming, Hastings LF669 and Beck Arnley 041-0856. Will post pics later for visual comparison.

Excellent! I would be into helping with other models too, however I purchased a six pack of OEM filters...still using them until I settle on "the one". I wish Purolator Pure One had one out now.

zyxelenator
01-15-2014, 10:45 AM
Beck Arlnley filter arrived. $8.30 with prime delivery from amazon. If you find it cheaper somewhere it definitely worth it's price over stock( i don't like thin looking wavy pleats on stock ones, but that's just me). Comes in pretty box, has oil change sticker, gasket comes in little zip lock bag. Has 65 even, nice looking pleats including seam. Made in Bulgaria. I will take pics little bit later.

zyxelenator
01-15-2014, 12:19 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7293/11966804206_23f9286e9c_k.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7357/11966386034_4165f9d93a_k.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7378/11966381564_bcf3f1335f_k.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3768/11966247233_621cedf9b2_k.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/11966795286_b0ef11e378_k.jpg

Abarth Phreak
01-15-2014, 11:09 PM
That does look like a good filter from the pics....what filter you running currently btw?

zyxelenator
01-15-2014, 11:59 PM
That does look like a good filter from the pics....what filter you running currently btw?

I'm running Wix right now. Since it is most similar to.Fiat/Mopar OE filter. Trying to compare PU 5w40 vs PU 0w40 vs m1 0w40. Unfortunately there are more variables that filters (I work from home so I don't need to go to same location everyday) plus I got tune now. Thinking to use 2 Mahles to compare HDEOs T6 vs Valvoline Blue 5w40 or Mag1 hdeo 5W40.
BTW ordered one more oli filter, this time cheap Pronto( under $3) and same brand cabin filter.

zyxelenator
01-16-2014, 05:01 PM
Hastings Filter arrived. It is made in Poland and seems to be at same factory as Wix. Same font and model number. Same pleat count(60) and seam.
Took pics anyway, so you can see that it is same as Wix.
I got it for $4.15 + 7 shippin on amazon, now it is $11.78 +7 shipping. Not worth paying for pretty box.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/11986299766_e6128fa80d_k.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2888/11985769203_0865e69579_k.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3668/11985856824_e816b847cb_k.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5550/11986289526_3ffdab8352_k.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7355/11986287396_e1935e85ae_k.jpg

zyxelenator
01-16-2014, 05:09 PM
So Far My favorite is still MANN, then Beck Arnley and very close behind him OE filters, then WIX/Hastings, and last place Fram/Mahle.
I will be really surprised if Pronto(cheap under $3) will be not worse than Fram/Mahle.

dart1.4t
01-19-2014, 03:31 PM
i didn't realize there were this many filter options. nice comparisons. i wish i could find some info on filter media for each brand. i have seen fram/wix comparisons where they explain that wix uses fiberglass for the media and fram uses cellulose. the fiberglass has more uniformity... pleat count or cutting it up and stretching it out to measure media area may be a good comparison but it doesnt account for different media material. even with the obvious differences the non obvious differences can make as much or more difference. it's hard to say which is the "best" with a visual inspection. but it is generally agreed that fram doesn't use quality parts in their filters. i don't see any negative to using the wix or oem, but i may take a look at the mann and beck arnley next time around.

zyxelenator
01-21-2014, 07:24 PM
i didn't realize there were this many filter options. nice comparisons. i wish i could find some info on filter media for each brand. i have seen fram/wix comparisons where they explain that wix uses fiberglass for the media and fram uses cellulose. the fiberglass has more uniformity... pleat count or cutting it up and stretching it out to measure media area may be a good comparison but it doesnt account for different media material. even with the obvious differences the non obvious differences can make as much or more difference. it's hard to say which is the "best" with a visual inspection. but it is generally agreed that fram doesn't use quality parts in their filters. i don't see any negative to using the wix or oem, but i may take a look at the mann and beck arnley next time around.
Sure you can't tell how efficient media is by just looking at it with unarmed eye. You can always email manufacturer and request information about specific filter. They usually do reply. So far what I've seen (information on other filters), media is pretty much comparable in term of single pass filtration. Exception would be filters for extended drain usage with multi layer synthetic media backed with metal mesh. For example Fram Ultra (aka Extended Guard), Purolator Synthetic, Bosch Distance Plus in can form. I haven't seen filters like that in cartridge form yet. For me visual comparison is enough, in case of Fiat we don't have to worry about anti drain valve, bypass valve psi settings, can thickness and quality of those items. Media filtration should differ +-2% amont filters I saw and felt.

zyxelenator
01-21-2014, 08:01 PM
Ding Ding Ding, we got a winner! Well at least it is a winner for me. El chipo filter I ordered from rockauto.com along with cabin filter, came today. As I told before I was really surprised and impressed. It came in colorful box which list other manufacturers cross part numbers. Filter looks and feels great, center cage spins(you can put it on your filter ans spin it :))
It has 64 pleats, media is even and not to thin. It is first ever filter that I don't see visible seam! Only negative side, it is probably made in China(says on the box, but not on filter).
I think I will stop for now and will order those filters after I use those that already have. Cost of this filter if $2.89 + shipping (starts from $5.65 for my zip) it is good to throw it as add on if you order something from same warehouse or order lots of them, for example shipping 20 of those filters would be only $8.64 for my zip. As for me this one is the winner in terms of price/quality ratio.
If someone wants to contribute more, here are other part numbers of filters that will fit Fiat/Dart: Purolator L16162, Mighty M991, Champ P993.

Now, Pictures on Pronto P06162 that I received today:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7343/12075807145_74b9b3eb90_k.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2821/12076113673_05a9f85a7e_k.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5485/12076210194_fd666f3bda_k.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5514/12075813745_2bb3f17a88_k.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5472/12076120493_bc685a231f_k.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7377/12076216664_beb5df65c7_k.jpg

dalamscius
04-29-2014, 04:48 PM
Did anyone manage to pull efficiency numbers for any of these? The pronto definitely looks clean for it's cost but I'd really want to see numbers before I jump on into it

zyxelenator
06-16-2014, 01:15 AM
Did anyone manage to pull efficiency numbers for any of these? The pronto definitely looks clean for it's cost but I'd really want to see numbers before I jump on into it
I did not. If I get bored I may try send out bunch of emails to filter manufacturers asking that.
Now, I got burned on el cheapo filter. So I may take my words back regarding Pronto.
I just did and oil change on 550i tonight. Oil filter had multiple holes and tears. It was not Pronto, it was different model and it is bigger than Fiat filter. It was Champ filter at it was around $6.50 last summer. It looked very nice when new,I think it was darker shade of yellow( i will look up old pics). So If you have a bimmer, Porsche or MB, DO NOT run Champ filters on those for 15k or more miles. Filter is literally falling apart if you press finger on media with slight force. It became very brittle. I will take pics of it and post, also will send complaint to Champ corp.
Bimmer got Pronto installed and will have it for 5k miles, I will see how it holds up for that interval.

zyxelenator
06-16-2014, 01:19 AM
My thread about this Champ filter from last summer
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3075478

nilfinite
08-27-2014, 03:33 PM
Great thread. Thanks for your contributions.

nilfinite
11-12-2014, 06:25 PM
Any update on how the Pronto filter is holding up in the Fiat?

zyxelenator
11-18-2014, 12:41 PM
I will look for pics when I get home(this weekend). It hold up fine for 5k miles, no holes, not brittle. I think I have it in my Fiat right now too. It will stay there for 7k-8k miles.
Same result on Bimmer, for same 5k miles OCI.
Lets see how Pronto will held up on bimmer for 10k-15k. Champ filter became very brittle and had holes in it, big holes. But UOA looked ok even with holes in filter there.

nilfinite
11-18-2014, 01:03 PM
Awesome, going to buy a couple Prontos and test them out. I swap out the oil about every 5k-8k miles as well.

Shawnb
11-18-2014, 01:36 PM
Cheap Wix filter and Rotella T is all you need! Wouldn't look past those two options, waste of time.

doverosx
11-21-2014, 09:56 AM
I've got a WIX coming up next but I'm hoping for an AMSOIL filter otherwise I'll be jumping to MANN. I don't put that much mileage on my cars (typically work from home unless computers decide to stop working).

zyxelenator
11-22-2014, 12:43 AM
I had wix, my own opinion - nothing special. Mann and Pronto stands out. Mann for looks, feel and quality, Pronto for its price. If you like to change oil often(3k-5k miles)- i don't see any reason to spend more money on $10-$16 filters. If i will notice anything not good about filters above I will report here. I will double check what I have in right now, and what was used 5k miles prior( it could be that it was Hastling (could be thrown away by dealer),and I can have Filter from Fram box installed now) I will be finally home soon.

zyxelenator
12-18-2014, 02:31 AM
I will try to find some time tmrw to snap pics of 2 used filters. Meanwhile I ordered set of those guys. Should arrive soon. Got 3 of them for $25 Shipped. Now they are priced $30 for a set of 3.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA4NlgxNDQ4/z/oxEAAOSwrx5UV6gK/$_57.JPG
If I remember correct those are widely used in EU on diesel Fiats since they use same cartridge type filter enclosure. (Gassers use spin-on filter and only take 3 liters of oil)

zyxelenator
12-18-2014, 05:43 PM
Snapped some pics of 2 previously used filter in my car:
Dealer provided filter (Mopar), no tears, media is not brittle. It was used for 7500 miles.
Click to enlarge
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7483/15429861684_549426eac9_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pvu5j1)DSCN3730 (https://flic.kr/p/pvu5j1) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8654/15432502603_c58945bfd9_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pvHBn6)DSCN3731 (https://flic.kr/p/pvHBn6) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7481/15866382937_f15d484aab_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qb4mSv)DSCN3732 (https://flic.kr/p/qb4mSv) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr

Polish Wix, I think it was used for 5000 miles, it looks lighter in color too. No tears, not brittle. It looks to be very close to stock Mopar filter as it was mentioned before.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7502/16050223541_1c888f3eaa_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qsiAh6)DSCN3726 (https://flic.kr/p/qsiAh6) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8577/16026388306_67f7bf1dd5_n.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qqcqTL)DSCN3728 (https://flic.kr/p/qqcqTL) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr

I think I have Mahle installed right now or possibly Pronto with Motul LL-04 5w-40 oil. I will probably change oil before holidays, since it is close to 7k miles now and I will be out of country for a while soon, while miles keep racking up.

zyxelenator
12-27-2014, 02:55 PM
Update.I just changed oil after 8k miles. Pronto filter held up fine. Media not brittle, no holes. Media is little wavy, I probably overtightened cap last time. I will take pic later. Put in new Pronto and M1 5w40 ESP Formula M. New pronto did not want to hold onto cap, but I ma aged to put it in. Let see how pronto will hold up for 10-15k in bimmer.

lammie200
12-27-2014, 03:07 PM
Photos and videos that get posted are sometimes either deceiving or lack sufficient detail IMHO. Might just be the nature of dealing with pics, resolutions, etc. I say that because the above photos appear as though your filters are slammed with metal particles on my computer screen. I doubt that is the case though.

zyxelenator
12-27-2014, 05:03 PM
Photos and videos that get posted are sometimes either deceiving or lack sufficient detail IMHO. Might just be the nature of dealing with pics, resolutions, etc. I say that because the above photos appear as though your filters are slammed with metal particles on my computer screen. I doubt that is the case though.
Yeah, that is light reflection from fibers and FLICKR HD filter applied. They are not shiny at normal day light, should of taken pics outside in bright sunlight, but it is rare to see during winter. The main idea was to show that pleats still look nice, straight and not torn. There been many failures with canister Purolator filters which will tear really fast (big bad batch produced).

Crossfirecat
12-29-2014, 10:23 PM
Anyone know anything about these filters? I've glanced around the net a little bit, but didn't find anything in terms of reviews. I'm down to my last mopar filter and was going to give these a try unless the quality is total crap!

16050

zyxelenator
12-30-2014, 01:03 AM
If you look at your oil filter cap it says Purflux. If I remember correct it is French company. They are notorious for zigzag filter media layout, which should increase filtering area. They are factory filters in many European diesel Fiats.I've seen lots of pics and good reviews on Russian oil nerds site. None in US, they are rare animal here. You can use chrome for instant translation and search them on oil-club.ru
p.s. Still waiting on my order. Its been a while.

zyxelenator
01-02-2015, 03:20 PM
Got them today, wondered why it took so long. Got my answer--they came from Germany. Flying there tomr, wonder how much they cost there, maybe will bring more :)
Snapped couple pics, says made in EU, other side has French address.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7507/16175208021_1a4a0f58db.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV)DSCN3838 (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/15991277717_bd7124020e.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM)DSCN3839 (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8604/15554704844_e5d4a55a58.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh)DSCN3840 (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr

bryanintowson
01-03-2015, 10:56 AM
Neat!

Abarth Daddy
01-09-2015, 01:31 AM
Watching this video on Mann filters along with reading positive reviews on Mann here and BITOG has pretty much sold me on using Mann Filters.


http://youtu.be/rKwmk1RYHpk

I mean, there may be a filter which is better, but I definitely think you won't go wrong with Mann. :nod:

Fabio13
01-09-2015, 01:21 PM
Got them today, wondered why it took so long. Got my answer--they came from Germany. Flying there tomr, wonder how much they cost there, maybe will bring more :)
Snapped couple pics, says made in EU, other side has French address.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7507/16175208021_1a4a0f58db.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV)DSCN3838 (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/15991277717_bd7124020e.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM)DSCN3839 (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8604/15554704844_e5d4a55a58.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh)DSCN3840 (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr

A lot of streets and places called 8 Mai 1945 in France for obvious reasons!

Klasse Act
01-10-2015, 01:41 AM
Got them today, wondered why it took so long. Got my answer--they came from Germany. Flying there tomr, wonder how much they cost there, maybe will bring more :)
Snapped couple pics, says made in EU, other side has French address.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7507/16175208021_1a4a0f58db.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV)DSCN3838 (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/15991277717_bd7124020e.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM)DSCN3839 (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8604/15554704844_e5d4a55a58.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh)DSCN3840 (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr

That just looks like a quality oil filter!

Winston
01-10-2015, 08:09 PM
Wal Mart has Mobil 1 0W-40 for under $25 for 5 quart bottle !

NCfazer
01-18-2015, 01:02 AM
Wal Mart has Mobil 1 0W-40 for under $25 for 5 quart bottle !

I wonder if Mobil 1 0W-40W has the FIAT certification on the back label?

NCfazer
01-18-2015, 01:11 AM
Wal Mart has Mobil 1 0W-40 for under $25 for 5 quart bottle !

I just looked on the Mobile Web Site and it stated:

"Based on what you've told us, your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 5W-40 viscosity and oil that meets Chrysler MS-10896. We currently do not offer any motor oils in the United States that meet these specifications."

So I guess I shouldn't use Mobile 1.

zyxelenator
01-18-2015, 06:37 AM
If you concerned with warranty and think you engine will fail before 50k miles with oil related issues, then only use Pennzoil Ultra 5w40.
Otherwise, M1 0w-40 is a great oil and approved for BMW, MB, Nissan GT-R, Porsche and many others, do you think they have less strict requirements?

Specifications and approvals

Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R
Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01
SAAB
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025
FIAT 9.55535 - M2
FIAT 9.55535 - N2
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2

Fabio13
01-18-2015, 10:55 PM
If you concerned with warranty and think you engine will fail before 50k miles with oil related issues, then only use Pennzoil Ultra 5w40.
Otherwise, M1 0w-40 is a great oil and approved for BMW, MB, Nissan GT-R, Porsche and many others, do you think they have less strict requirements?

Specifications and approvals

Mobil 1 0W-40 synthetic motor oil meets or exceeds the requirements of:
API SN, SM, SL, SJ
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Nissan GT-R
Mobil 1 0W-40 has the following builder approvals:
MB-Approval 229.3
MB-Approval 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 0W40 is of the following quality:
API CF
VW 503 01
SAAB
OPEL Long Life Service Fill GM-LL-A-025
OPEL Diesel Service Fill GM-LL-B-025
FIAT 9.55535 - M2
FIAT 9.55535 - N2
FIAT 9.55535 - Z2


My Sport owners manual says to use SAE 5W-30.

zyxelenator
01-19-2015, 02:35 AM
Toyota Prius manual says 0w20. Challandger SRT says 0w40. And your point is? Anyway this thread is not about oil, but about filters.

nilfinite
05-09-2015, 11:56 PM
Got them today, wondered why it took so long. Got my answer--they came from Germany. Flying there tomr, wonder how much they cost there, maybe will bring more :)
Snapped couple pics, says made in EU, other side has French address.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7507/16175208021_1a4a0f58db.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV)DSCN3838 (https://flic.kr/p/qDmaNV) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/15991277717_bd7124020e.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM)DSCN3839 (https://flic.kr/p/qn6tJM) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8604/15554704844_e5d4a55a58.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh)DSCN3840 (https://flic.kr/p/pGvVQh) by zyxelenator (https://www.flickr.com/people/73471479@N02/), on Flickr

Did the first oil change on my 500L today. Guess what, it came with this filter from the factory! Looks very cool.

All 500Ls (US & UK) are made in Serbia. I guess they use Purflux in Europe.

Replaced it with a Pronto filter. Doesn't look as substantial as the Purflux for sure. But can't beat the bang for buck of the Pronto.

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zyxelenator
05-10-2015, 10:02 AM
I'm going to change oil on Monday +Gear oil and lots of other things. Oil in the car was 10k+ miles with Pronto filter (if I remember correct), I will see and post how it held up.

zyxelenator
05-30-2015, 05:47 AM
Took me forever to find time to post pictures, but here they are.This is Pronto filter after 10k miles.
I had a brain fart last time and apparently set my torque wrench to 25 pounds instead of converting 25 Newton/M to pounds. So I over tightened it and you can see result. Make sure you do not overtighten your cap.
Anyway filter held up great, no tears, it was not bittle despite that it was partially crushed.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-olZGtPSYB50/VWmHsFFPUDI/AAAAAAAAMiI/8Cu_d6jW6jE/w311-h553-no/IMG_20150513_195200699.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--jbiOWl7cy0/VWmHsP-5P4I/AAAAAAAAMiI/boeGdG96Jwk/w311-h553-no/IMG_20150513_195147724.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-wQ8wUKxgkKk/VWmHsMV-80I/AAAAAAAAMiI/bWJxofySfQo/w311-h553-no/IMG_20150513_195153649.jpg

zyxelenator
07-08-2015, 03:20 PM
Changed oil on FIAT and Bimmer last night. Pronto in Bimmer did not take 15.5k miles, had holes and slightly collapsed media. Media was brittle. It has $8 filler there now, next will just do OE filter which is much more expensive, I hope for a reason and it will handle fine.

Mahle from FIAT had 5k miles, looked nice, non brittle, nothing to look at. I changed my 5w50 RRS fill earlier, suspecting fuel dilution, flooded engine several times...going thru tune process for large injectors...