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Wolfepaw
08-19-2013, 10:59 PM
Well, yet another issue has cropped up. Now out of the blue the engine will turn over but not start. Three or four tries of cranking it and it suddenly will start. Yet another call to the Fiat studio shall occur tomorrow. Wondering if it could be related to the O2 sensor issue I have been having. The check engine light is no longer on at the moment though.

seharney
08-27-2013, 11:37 AM
Well, yet another issue has cropped up. Now out of the blue the engine will turn over but not start. Three or four tries of cranking it and it suddenly will start. Yet another call to the Fiat studio shall occur tomorrow. Wondering if it could be related to the O2 sensor issue I have been having. The check engine light is no longer on at the moment though.

So did you have this looked at by your studio? I've had this a few times. If the car doesn't start on the first turn of the key, subsequent attempts try to engage but won't. I turn off radio and A/C and wait a few moments and try again giving it a little gas. This takes a few tries as well when it happens . It's not consistent such that I think the studio would be able to easily replicate the issue. I haven't contacted my studio yet but just curious since you reported it as a potential issue also.

JustB
08-27-2013, 09:36 PM
Well, yet another issue has cropped up. Now out of the blue the engine will turn over but not start. Three or four tries of cranking it and it suddenly will start. Yet another call to the Fiat studio shall occur tomorrow. Wondering if it could be related to the O2 sensor issue I have been having. The check engine light is no longer on at the moment though.

I just picked up my 500L last night, and had to crank it twice to get it to start this afternoon. It had all of 80 miles on it at the time.

Andree
08-27-2013, 10:20 PM
Just in case this is useful to anyone:

Starting on page 209 of the Owner's Manual, under the "Starting and Operating" section

Normal Starting
NOTE: Normal starting of either a cold or a warm engine is obtained without pumping or pressing the accelerator pedal.

Turn the ignition switch to the AVV (START) position and release it when the engine starts. If the engine fails to start within 10 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the STOP (OFF/LOCK) position, wait 10 to 15 seconds, then repeat the “Normal Starting” procedure.

...and a bit farther on...

Extended Park Starting
NOTE: Extended Park condition occurs when the vehicle has not been started or driven for at least 35 days.
1. Install a battery charger or jumper cables to the battery to ensure a full battery charge during the crank cycle.
2. Turn the ignition switch to the START position and release it when the engine starts.
3. If the engine fails to start within 10 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the STOP (OFF/LOCK) position, wait 10 seconds to allow the starter to cool, then repeat the Extended Park Starting procedure.

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They don't drive the cars around on the boat while shipping. And the cars may not be driven daily or even started daily at the dealerships.

I had my regular 500 not start the very first time I started it, on the dealer's lot. The Fiat Specialist told me to stop cranking, and told me what the procedure was. Turn off the key, wait 10 seconds, try again.

There are many discussions on the starting thing, and why the car does this.

The manual even has a warning (page 211):

CAUTION! (Continued)
• To prevent damage to the starter, do not continuously crank the engine for more than 15 seconds at a time. Wait 10 to 15 seconds before trying again.

JoeB
08-27-2013, 10:38 PM
My Abarth occasionally has this issue, too. I never press the throttle because the fuel injection does that for you. As Andree says, I turn the key..if it doesn't fire right away I wait a few seconds, then try again. The second try usually works. I don't know where the hiccup is, but it seems easily overcome.

Fiat500USA
08-27-2013, 10:42 PM
CAUTION! (Continued)
• To prevent damage to the starter, do not continuously crank the engine for more than 15 seconds at a time. Wait 10 to 15 seconds before trying again

That is pretty much standard operating procedure for any car. Starters get vey hot with extended cranking.

JoeB
08-27-2013, 11:14 PM
That is pretty much standard operating procedure for any car. Starters get vey hot with extended cranking.

The issue is unusual, though. I've had several Toyotas, a Honda, a Porsche, a Chrysler and a Chevy in the past 15 years. None of them had such a frequent issue with hard starting.

Fiat500USA
08-27-2013, 11:34 PM
Occasionally I will release the ignition key a moment just before the car starts. I anticipate it taking a certain amount of time and just release the key too soon. It does take more cranking to start than my Audi.

I wonder if those who have starting issues have to hold the key longer than 10 seconds? That is an awful long amount of time cranking. Let me know.

n00dle
08-27-2013, 11:46 PM
what's the voltage on the battery? it's not uncommon to sometimes have a weak or battery that needs to be charged, even with new cars. The battery itself could have been sitting on a shelf for some time before getting installed. Should read at least 12.6 volts to have adequate juice to crank it up.

JoeB
08-28-2013, 12:05 AM
Ocassionally I will release the ignition key a moment just before the car starts. I anticipate it taking a certain amount of time and just release the key too soon. It does take more cranking to start than my Audi.

I wonder if those who have starting issues have to hold the key longer than 10 seconds? That is an awful long amount of time cranking. Let me know.

The "longer than 10 seconds" part sounds like lawyer-talk for "we're not responsible for the car not starting within 10 seconds". There's no way I would crank on a starter that long. If it doesn't fire right away, I bail and wait.

Fiat500USA
08-28-2013, 10:53 AM
Yeah, I would never crank it that long either. If you have to crank a new car that long there is an issue.

Wolfepaw
08-28-2013, 03:17 PM
Yeah, I would never crank it that long either. If you have to crank a new car that long there is an issue.

I had an appointment set for yesterday I had to cancel because I got sent out of town for work. It does not do it consistently which makes it nearly impossible to replicate for the studio. It's been about a week since it last did it. My 500L has 3000 miles on it now, it's not a weak battery. I've owned over a dozen new cars and several old ones. I know a weak battery. I've never had something like this before. I don't crank and crank, I know better than that. I give it about a 3-4 count, back off for 5-10 seconds, then try again, rinse and repeat until it starts. I've had to do that 5 times in a row or more on a couple occasions. On my 500 sport in the winter, I would have to crank for a couple seconds, back off then crank again when it had sat for over night. I am aware of that issue in cold weather. It's been so sporadic, I'm not overly concerned which is why I threw it out there to see if others had an issue.

Indie500L
08-29-2013, 06:29 AM
Try reving the engine like 2000 rpm before you turn it off and see if it starts easier the next time you start it up.

Rally500
08-07-2014, 08:45 PM
Hi everybody the second engine computer reflash helped that issue so far.