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Jtravis
07-22-2013, 09:18 AM
Hi, I've only had my Fiat 500 for a month or so, I only have 80 miles on it and already it's making it's second trip into the service department.

First time was for a solenoid issue,

Second time is for a lose gas cap, which by the way is/was never lose.

Is this common practice for these cars? I'm thinking I might have gotten a lemon, I love this little car, but don't want all these problems with it.

Tweak
07-22-2013, 07:39 PM
Welcome to the forum.

I wouldn't say this comes remotely close to being considered a "lemon" at this point. A few have had some initial issues and once resolved they've been problem free since, hopefully you'll experience the same.

FiatGusto
07-22-2013, 08:16 PM
Hi and WELCOME:
Many of us have thousands of miles and years of ownership. We've all had minor stuff, but I can say this is a great car. Fix the small items, and then enjoy many problem free miles.
Good luck,
Dennis

Andree
07-22-2013, 08:25 PM
Hi, I've only had my Fiat 500 for a month or so, I only have 80 miles on it and already it's making it's second trip into the service department.

First time was for a solenoid issue,

Second time is for a lose gas cap, which by the way is/was never lose.

Is this common practice for these cars? I'm thinking I might have gotten a lemon, I love this little car, but don't want all these problems with it.

There have been ongoing issues with the starter, some of which is normal but is perceived as a problem. The car will not always start on the first try, and that IS normal. It's in the manual.

Maybe Fiat is just replacing them whenever people have had the starting issue many times, I don't know. I had the car not start on the very first time I got in to start my car at the dealership. The Fiat Specialist said it was normal, told me to turn off the engine. Then we waited about 15 seconds, and retried, and it started fine.

As far as gas caps go, if there was a problem with the seal, it might still show as being "loose" even though you tightened it all the way.

I've had no problems with my gas cap.

I worried like you are doing, when one of my interior lights went out a couple days after getting the car home. I went into panic mode, and figured since the light went out, the whole electrical system was doomed and therefore the car doors would fall off and I had lemon. It was just ONE LITTLE LIGHT that had me thinking the car was a lemon.

And it's not because the Fiat was self-destructing, but because of all the other things I've had happen WITH OTHER CARS in my life.

Yup, I'll panic over the slightest things thanks to terrible experiences in the past. I'm no mechanic, what do I know?

I hope you'll be fine, as I've not yet heard of anyone having truly a lemon, in the US or over in the UK where the vehicle has been around for much longer.

luckymoi
07-22-2013, 09:19 PM
The loose gas cap issue I had was a bad evap canister that took three tries to sort out.
I documented all my first year issues,
Nothing in the second year which is over next week.
Love the car.

panther76
07-23-2013, 07:40 AM
Hi, I've only had my Fiat 500 for a month or so, I only have 80 miles on it and already it's making it's second trip into the service department.

First time was for a solenoid issue,

Second time is for a lose gas cap, which by the way is/was never lose.

Is this common practice for these cars? I'm thinking I might have gotten a lemon, I love this little car, but don't want all these problems with it.

I had more issues than that with my 2009 corolla in the first month. the issues are minor and unless they cannot/will not fix them, then there is nothing to worry about.

I now have 22,000 miles on my 500, and other than the delaminating rear badge, have had no problems.

Robert Nixon
07-23-2013, 10:56 AM
"Second time is for a lose gas cap, which by the way is/was never lose."

what does that mean? Was the gas cap built wrong and they replaced it? Or did you have an error message?

Andree
07-24-2013, 11:02 PM
Hi, I've only had my Fiat 500 for a month or so, I only have 80 miles on it and already it's making it's second trip into the service department.

First time was for a solenoid issue,

Second time is for a lose gas cap, which by the way is/was never lose.

Is this common practice for these cars? I'm thinking I might have gotten a lemon, I love this little car, but don't want all these problems with it.

Just checking in, everything okay? Feeling more confident?

500
07-24-2013, 11:58 PM
First time was for a solenoid issue,

Second time is for a lose gas cap, which by the way is/was never lose.

Is this common practice for these cars? I'm thinking I might have gotten a lemon, I love this little car, but don't want all these problems with it.

A bad seal on the gas-cap is going to cause a CEL/code for a vacuum leak, but it's not a big deal. It's really one of the cheapest things you could possibly have go wrong, and it was just the bad one in the batch. It's a $5 part, replace, and you'll likely never need another as long as you own the car.

As far as the solenoid goes, that's a relatively minor thing too. It's normal for a new car to not be completely perfect. Even a basic car like the 500 still has thousands of components. Don't let the failure of two cheap parts sour your whole ownership experience. I'd also suggest that if you have the time and means, do a proper shakedown on your car - get it broken in - and if anything else happens, contact your dealer. My guess is you'll be totally fine and won't even remember this stuff after you have 1k mi on the clock! :)

Mine hasn't been absolutely flawless either, but then neither has any car I've ever owned. And the stuff I've had go wrong have been relatively small things, too.

purl1
09-11-2013, 12:32 PM
I have this same problem with the starting. since it does start on the first try 80% of the time I figured when I bring it in for the next oil change I would have them check it out. ive had my car for 4 months, and mine has also already had a rear main seal leak fixed. I love my car but man can it give you anxiety attacks when your car does not start.

Fiat500USA
09-11-2013, 12:50 PM
I have this same problem with the starting. since it does start on the first try 80% of the time I figured when I bring it in for the next oil change I would have them check it out. ive had my car for 4 months, and mine has also already had a rear main seal leak fixed. I love my car but man can it give you anxiety attacks when your car does not start.

Here is a TSB on starting issues. Take a look here : Fiat 500 Recall N15 - Starter Motor Mounting Bolts on early cars (http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?10004-Fiat-500-Recall-N15-Starter-Motor-Mounting-Bolts-on-early-cars)
Note, this is for early cars and I don't know what year your car is, but it may be applicable.

purl1
09-11-2013, 01:08 PM
Here is a TSB on starting issues. Take a look here : Fiat 500 Recall N15 - Starter Motor Mounting Bolts on early cars (http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?10004-Fiat-500-Recall-N15-Starter-Motor-Mounting-Bolts-on-early-cars)
Note, this is for early cars and I don't know what year your car is, but it may be applicable.


thank you. Mine is a 2012, I believe a June of 2012

Fix it again Tony
10-10-2013, 10:56 PM
I had an engine error code a while back that freaked me out a bit, the book listed five different causes including oxygen sensor, intake manifold leak, and the like. I made an appointment for service, then I remembered having an error code on my jeep years ago that turned out to be a loose gas cap. I removed the cap, replaced it carefully, clicked it three times and the engine code disappeared from my dash.