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purl1
06-18-2013, 04:19 PM
Ive had my 2012 Fiat for about 4 weeks now. I think I may need to bump up what kind of gas im using. Ive noticed my engine doesnt sound nice and smooth while idling. I put in the middle gas (sorry cant think of what grade it is off the top of my head) . Ive only put gas in it twice maybe 3 times since having it.

so other than it sounding "bumpy" while on, I tried to start it (2 different times) and it didnt start. I turned the key back and then on again and it started fine. I am wondering if this is because im using a lesser grade of fuel? or could this be something different. I really love this car :glee: I would hate to have issues already

streetsurfer
06-18-2013, 04:55 PM
You'll want to describe what happens in further detail during the no start situation, to get the best answers. Starter engages, spins but does not engage, does not spin at all, etc.

My suggestion is to wait several seconds after you turn the key on before engaging the starter. See if that helps.

Lots of posts on this topic if you want to search a little. There are also issues with poor grounding through the starter bolts, but you don't say if the starter is engaging or not, when it fails to start. Gas is likely unrelated unless you got a bad batch (starter fully engaging). Even then it could just be that you did not allow enough time with key on, for the valve system to prime itself.

purl1
06-18-2013, 05:26 PM
Thank you, I dont want to sound stupid. when I turn the key it sounds as if its going to start but just doesnt (I am usually in a hurry taking the kids to school or leaving work) . im not sure what you mean by if the starter is engaging or not. I will try what you say, turn the key and let it sit for a bit then turn it on.

Andree
06-18-2013, 05:26 PM
Quick guess is what is mentioned in the manual, about starting the car. Yes, it's in the manual! Sometimes it doesn't start. Really. Just turn the key back off. Wait 15 seconds. Turn it back on. Voila! This happened to me the very first time I started my car, at the dealership, with the Fiat Specialist in the car. He said it's normal.

I still panic briefly when it happens, and it rarely occurs now, after 1,000 miles or so. I panic, not because of the Fiat, but because I had problems with a former car many years back that would sometimes not start, and when it didn't start, it wasn't going to start at all. It would want a new battery.

My Fiat always starts on the second try if it didn't start the first time.

streetsurfer
06-18-2013, 05:40 PM
By engaging, I mean is it turning the engine over. Sometimes the starter will spin but not "engage" it's teeth with the flywheel. You didn't sound stupid. Ask away. We're all here to help each other.

purl1
06-18-2013, 05:50 PM
Ok ,then it is engaging.
I just went through my manual and I couldnt find any mention about this "not starting issue" maybe its because mine is a 2012.

it could also just be me, my husband says I over think everything.

Tweak
06-18-2013, 06:56 PM
There has been mention of turning the key only slightly (Acc) and then pausing, then proceeding to crank, some have stated this has improved the situation. Also the before mentioned starter bolts are something to consider.

Andree
06-18-2013, 08:07 PM
Ok ,then it is engaging.
I just went through my manual and I couldnt find any mention about this "not starting issue" maybe its because mine is a 2012.

it could also just be me, my husband says I over think everything.

I over-think too.

For the 2012 manual, it's on page 195, in the Section: Starting and Operating

"Turn the ignition switch to the AVV (START) position and release it when the engine starts. If the engine fails to start within 10 seconds, turn the ignition switch to the STOP(OFF/LOCK) position, wait 10 to 15 seconds, then repeat the Normal Starting procedure."

Manual here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58441439/Fiat500USA-2012-Fiat-500-OM-3rd

purl1
06-18-2013, 08:21 PM
Thank you! the book I have is only 76 pages and that is not in it. I also got a computer disc maybe the bigger manual is on there. Im going to save a copy of this one though. I guess I will ask them about it when I take him in for his next oil change.

you 2 have been so helpful, I do love my new little car. (2012 500 convertible) after driving minivans for 10 years this is a nice change

Andree
06-18-2013, 09:21 PM
Thank you! the book I have is only 76 pages and that is not in it. I also got a computer disc maybe the bigger manual is on there. Im going to save a copy of this one though. I guess I will ask them about it when I take him in for his next oil change.

you 2 have been so helpful, I do love my new little car. (2012 500 convertible) after driving minivans for 10 years this is a nice change

The whole manual is buried somewhere on the disk. It's not set up very well, and it looks like the manual isn't there, just fluff stuff.

You can download right from the Fiat site here:
http://www.fiatusa.com/en/owners/manuals/index.html

There's also a link to "Find and Download other manuals" which takes you to Tech Authority. There you can order a printed copy of the manual.

Here's a direct link to the page to order the printed manual for the 2012 Fiat 500:
https://www.techauthority.com/en-US/Pages/ItemDetail.aspx?itemID=22950

ReconTopher
06-18-2013, 10:26 PM
Thank you! the book I have is only 76 pages and that is not in it. I also got a computer disc maybe the bigger manual is on there. Im going to save a copy of this one though. I guess I will ask them about it when I take him in for his next oil change.

you 2 have been so helpful, I do love my new little car. (2012 500 convertible) after driving minivans for 10 years this is a nice change

I like how you said Him and His. :)

brirosmith1219
09-09-2013, 06:53 PM
Ive had my 2012 Fiat for about 4 weeks now. I think I may need to bump up what kind of gas im using. Ive noticed my engine doesnt sound nice and smooth while idling. I put in the middle gas (sorry cant think of what grade it is off the top of my head) . Ive only put gas in it twice maybe 3 times since having it.

so other than it sounding "bumpy" while on, I tried to start it (2 different times) and it didnt start. I turned the key back and then on again and it started fine. I am wondering if this is because im using a lesser grade of fuel? or could this be something different. I really love this car :glee: I would hate to have issues already

I took my wife's 500 to the dealer today for an oil change and mentioned the starting issue where on the first try the engine turns over and won't start but on the second try it starts immediately. The tech told me that this is a real issue with the hydraulic lifters draining of oil when not running and then needing to fill up before a successful start. In essence he said that the engine is turning over but there is no compression because the valves are open. He also said Fiat is working on a programming fix to cure this but that there is no official service bulletin out yet.

Indie500L
09-09-2013, 08:37 PM
If it is running rough at idle it could be some bad gas or fouled injectors, a little fuel injector cleaner added to the gas could really help and that can make starting a lot easier too. It should run smoothly and if it doesn't then a trip to the Studio is called for - it indicates something is not quite right and it could cause problems later on.

Tweak
09-09-2013, 09:45 PM
I took my wife's 500 to the dealer today for an oil change and mentioned the starting issue where on the first try the engine turns over and won't start but on the second try it starts immediately. The tech told me that this is a real issue with the hydraulic lifters draining of oil when not running and then needing to fill up before a successful start. In essence he said that the engine is turning over but there is no compression because the valves are open. He also said Fiat is working on a programming fix to cure this but that there is no official service bulletin out yet.

Welcome to the forum.

Be nice for those with these issues if this fix comes sooner rather than later! :D

purl1
09-11-2013, 12:51 PM
I took my wife's 500 to the dealer today for an oil change and mentioned the starting issue where on the first try the engine turns over and won't start but on the second try it starts immediately. The tech told me that this is a real issue with the hydraulic lifters draining of oil when not running and then needing to fill up before a successful start. In essence he said that the engine is turning over but there is no compression because the valves are open. He also said Fiat is working on a programming fix to cure this but that there is no official service bulletin out yet.

Interesting. I was going to ask them about this when I took him in for his next oil change in November. I will have to remember what you've said. I wonder how long before they will have a fix. my biggest concern is once winter comes and the car starting in the cold.

actually I was thinking of this today as its really muggy out and hot, I started the car and it started to start and stalled out. started again and it turned on. got in the car again after a hour started didnt turn on , turned key off then waited and it turned on. sometimes i think its me because I know it wont turn on so I hesitate when turning the key.

I may just take it into the shop, I love my fiat shop they are excellent!

purl1
09-11-2013, 01:00 PM
If it is running rough at idle it could be some bad gas or fouled injectors, a little fuel injector cleaner added to the gas could really help and that can make starting a lot easier too. It should run smoothly and if it doesn't then a trip to the Studio is called for - it indicates something is not quite right and it could cause problems later on.

I have been exclusivly putting premium gas in since I posted this post and it has been running so much better. No more middle grade. Now I just have to get the starting issue fixed and im good to go. I managed to put over 1K miles on it this summer. Fun!

Fiat500USA
09-11-2013, 01:07 PM
Thank you! the book I have is only 76 pages and that is not in it. I also got a computer disc maybe the bigger manual is on there. Im going to save a copy of this one though. I guess I will ask them about it when I take him in for his next oil change.

you 2 have been so helpful, I do love my new little car. (2012 500 convertible) after driving minivans for 10 years this is a nice change

I noticed this post. You can get the printed manual sent to you by calling Fiat. I believe this is the number: 18008904038 (U.S.)18003871143 (Canada). If that doesn't work for you, call ciao Fiat (888-242-6342). They will send the first owner of the car a free manual kit.

FiatOfTysonsTech
01-10-2014, 09:40 PM
check the spark plugs could be having a missfire

trevc
01-11-2014, 01:00 AM
You might want to look at the date on some of threads you are posting on!

check the spark plugs could be having a missfire

LaneyBear
10-14-2015, 01:50 AM
Quick guess is what is mentioned in the manual, about starting the car. Yes, it's in the manual! Sometimes it doesn't start. Really. Just turn the key back off. Wait 15 seconds. Turn it back on. Voila! This happened to me the very first time I started my car, at the dealership, with the Fiat Specialist in the car. He said it's normal.

I still panic briefly when it happens, and it rarely occurs now, after 1,000 miles or so. I panic, not because of the Fiat, but because I had problems with a former car many years back that would sometimes not start, and when it didn't start, it wasn't going to start at all. It would want a new battery.

My Fiat always starts on the second try if it didn't start the first time.
This is not ok. How do they find this acceptable and why don't they tell you this when you call roadside assistance?

Babalabashabalaba
11-02-2015, 10:47 PM
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