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shagghie
06-10-2013, 04:35 PM
Just arrived at home, can't wait to put these on and loose +20lbs
of rotational weight!
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/5EE1E277-A29B-483A-9F14-63CDA45DEEEC-6931-00000461A4D84E8E.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/08A31981-85EE-41CC-9D36-470A644F63BA-6931-00000461AB23877D.jpg

215/40/17 Z2's on 17x7 Allegritas

F1AT
06-10-2013, 04:38 PM
Nice! :yumyum:

SuperTony
06-10-2013, 04:42 PM
Schweeeeeet buddy! Those are awesome. :rockon:

Ryephile
06-10-2013, 04:52 PM
Looks great! Are those the +37mm offset 4x100 wheels? I'd love to see the wobble bolts that Tire Rack provided. Are you going to use your spacers again?

shagghie
06-10-2013, 05:10 PM
Looks great! Are those the +37mm offset 4x100 wheels? I'd love to see the wobble bolts that Tire Rack provided. Are you going to use your spacers again?
These are the 4x98's! They have a few left in stock in 4x98, and they are blowing them out too, ~$100 OFF for each wheel in 2 or 3 colors. Maybe the grey superleggeras too which are also light, I can't recall.
I'm going to probably end up with moving the 10mm spacers from the front to the back. and running no spacers on the front, then selling the 15mm spacers.
Or I might just mount one up first with the 10mm on there to see what it looks like. Oh ****, you just made me realize... I hope the longer bolts I have now with the spacers I can re-use with the Allegritas... I don't see why not, but you did make me think there for a second. Worse case I'll ditch the spacers altogether, and get a re-alignment. If I can go lower in the front without spacers, it might be better anyway. God I wish the hours would pass faster so I could get home!!!

MADNESSLuckyJay
06-10-2013, 05:34 PM
those Dunlops are awesome! Perfect choice!

opiateESP
06-10-2013, 05:38 PM
Looking forward to seeing them mounted! NICE SHOES!

redred
06-10-2013, 05:49 PM
Perfect for the track day at the month!!! Nice!!!!

stratofortress
06-10-2013, 05:58 PM
Ugh...wish I didn't keep seeing nice wheels in the right PCD; almost makes me want to change out the 17s.

shagghie
06-10-2013, 06:09 PM
Perfect for the track day at the month!!! Nice!!!!

RedRed man... don't hate me, but last night I watched a video of a 458 Italia hitting the wall on a Japanese circuit and turning into a pile of smithereens, literally. Granted he was probably doing 180mph, but even at half that speed, I think I'm going to wait to get a roll cage and harnesses before I hit the big tracks. Conveniently, there is also an auto-x on the same weekend, so I'll probably be putting the new tires through that instead. :-(

FTY
06-10-2013, 06:10 PM
They look great...cant go wrong with OZ's!!

shagghie
06-10-2013, 06:18 PM
I'm just happy I was able to find 10mm more tread surface, in an overall package that weights 2lbs less per wheel/tire corner. Hoping to install them tonight and take more pics and maybe borrow a neighbor's scale for real-world weight comparison. Gonna go with more rake in the rear on the CO's too I think.

redred
06-10-2013, 06:19 PM
RedRed man... don't hate me, but last night I watched a video of a 458 Italia hitting the wall on a Japanese circuit and turning into a pile of smithereens, literally. Granted he was probably doing 180mph, but even at half that speed, I think I'm going to wait to get a roll cage and harnesses before I hit the big tracks. Conveniently, there is also an auto-x on the same weekend, so I'll probably be putting the new tires through that instead. :-(

You have just as much chance of crashing in an Auto-X as you do at Streets of Willow. It's a nice, safe, controlled track (and no where near those speeds either). As a beginner, passing is controlled and only allowed in two straights. There are no walls around the track so if, by some freak chance, you happen to go off the track, you won't be hitting any walls. Out of the 80+ cars at the last event, one S2000 caught fire (he was in the Advanced Group) and he pulled off track and ran. One other car did have some sort of incident near the pits too, but continued to race after that. They were also in the Advanced group. As far as I know, no cars in the beginner group had any significant issues.

shagghie
06-10-2013, 06:22 PM
You have just as much chance of crashing in an Auto-X as you do at Streets of Willow. It's a nice, safe, controlled track (and no where near those speeds either). As a beginner, passing is controlled and only allowed in two straights. There are no walls around the track so if, by some freak chance, you happen to go off the track, you won't be hitting any walls. Out of the 80+ cars at the last event, one S2000 caught fire (he was in the Advanced Group) and he pulled off track and ran. One other car did have some sort of incident near the pits too, but continued to race after that. They were also in the Advanced group. As far as I know, no cars in the beginner group had any significant issues.


I'm feeling a little What about Bobbish at the moment still.
#babysteps

I did really enjoy the Abarth Experience track at LVMS, but I only passed one car and that was with radio comms/coordination prior to the pass. Ugh...
Besides! I need to save my Z2's for the cones and my trip out to vegas this year!

shagghie
06-10-2013, 06:25 PM
Looks great! Are those the +37mm offset 4x100 wheels? I'd love to see the wobble bolts that Tire Rack provided. Are you going to use your spacers again? Forgot to affirm they are +37mm, 4x98.

n00dle
06-10-2013, 06:34 PM
just want to chime in that Streets Of Willow should not intimidate anyone. It's really a safe and fun track. The day you do go on it, you'll probably think it was silly to be apprehensive about not wanting to go on the track. No need to wait for a roll bar or cage IMO. Just hop on and drive your own drive.

trevc
06-10-2013, 06:54 PM
Look great - interested to hear how they feel at the Autocross.

2Cool
06-10-2013, 08:06 PM
RedRed man... don't hate me, but last night I watched a video of a 458 Italia hitting the wall on a Japanese circuit and turning into a pile of smithereens, literally. Granted he was probably doing 180mph, but even at half that speed, I think I'm going to wait to get a roll cage and harnesses before I hit the big tracks. Conveniently, there is also an auto-x on the same weekend, so I'll probably be putting the new tires through that instead. :-(

Old racing saying "Don't race something you can't afford to push off of a cliff." After watching a guy spin his beautiful sunset orange Murcielago into the infield grass at my first NASA HPDE event, I take that to heart.

JackandSue
06-10-2013, 08:36 PM
While I agree about not racing what you cannot afford to fix/lose, I have been doing track days for years. I have gone off course a few times. The "worst" was at Big Willow turn 3. It was my fault. I spun, went off backward, went over the hay bales and into the wall. It bent my tow hook and smooshed the back a bit. Nothing a little trimming didn't fix. That was my Honda S2000CR that I owed more on than what I bought the Fiat for. I was cleaning desert out of it for months! :) As long as you don't drive beyond your, or your car's, limits you are fine. The problem is guys tend to let their ego get in the way and they don't slowly build up their speed. I will be getting 5-point harness when I can (don't waste your money on a 4-point!), but I just did a track day a few weeks ago with just my seatbelt. It worked fine. The harness will allow me to go faster, however. :)

Sue (Jack's wife)

Giuseppe
06-10-2013, 09:40 PM
Come to the track. There will be great instruction and there is no need to push your car beyond your comfort levels.

DS Ocampo
06-10-2013, 09:53 PM
When you going?? If I'm there maybe I can ride up with ya?? Or you stop by Scottsdale for this tune :)))))))))



QUOTE=shagghie;612148]I'm feeling a little What about Bobbish at the moment still.
#babysteps

I did really enjoy the Abarth Experience track at LVMS, but I only passed one car and that was with radio comms/coordination prior to the pass. Ugh...
Besides! I need to save my Z2's for the cones and my trip out to vegas this year![/QUOTE]

shagghie
06-11-2013, 01:02 AM
Kept the spacers in the rear for now and dumped the front ones.
Remember I'm rolled by 5mm in the front too, so mind the gap, if you will. Will test them on the road tomorrow!

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ride and turn-in felt amazing after a quick trip around the block.
Tmorrow I'll test grip!

mr_robs
06-11-2013, 04:41 AM
Love the carbon fiber center caps!

Are the dunlops going to be your daily tire? Im going to be getting some Leggenda's soon and need tire recommendations. Great grip is desired without horrible treadwear, but it doesnt have to be amazing either.

jguerdat
06-11-2013, 08:11 AM
The Z2s have a 200 treadwear rating. How long they last will depend on how you drive. If you don't really tax the tire, they'll last a reasonably long time. Autocross or otherwise wear them sideways and they'll last much less. I only have one autocross on them so far (12 runs, 2 drivers) but wear was pretty insignificant other than front shoulders (need more camber). They're not gonna last like a 400 TWR all-season but should last 10-15k miles at least with just street driving.

YMMV

shagghie
06-11-2013, 11:17 AM
Love the carbon fiber center caps!

Are the dunlops going to be your daily tire? Im going to be getting some Leggenda's soon and need tire recommendations. Great grip is desired without horrible treadwear, but it doesnt have to be amazing either.

Thanks! Matches the MM CF rear diffusor and other accents, so was just 'sugar on top' that they came with them. I was going to get the Leggendas too, but for $100 off each wheel and in 4x98, and weighing even less, the Allegritas won me over for everything but the visual aspect. That said, they grew on me over night once I put them on the car...even though they are screaming BBK all the way to grandmother's house (and I don't even want or need a BBK, sigh).

For the rest of this season, I can only afford to own one set of rims for both my DD and AX, so the Z2's were a no brainer in that regard, and TBH, with only a year of steady AX under my best, they Z2's are almost 'too much' tire..but I've recently gotten the bug to WIN at all costs instead of just 'improve the driver', so the Z2's are where it's at. I drive spirited on the street, so I don't expect this pair to last more than 6-7k, given autocross events once/month. I AM going to be focusing on being much more smoooooth, especially now with more grip, I have no excuse but to drive proper.

nojeebs
06-11-2013, 11:35 AM
Berry nice!

Jjm4life
06-11-2013, 11:47 AM
Looking good

redred
06-11-2013, 11:54 AM
Looks great Shaggie! I wasn't too sure about the look either, but I must admit they look pretty great! I think the all stealth look works with those wheels.

BTW... love the nice little red lug nut covers. Nice touch!

shagghie
06-11-2013, 12:43 PM
more comparison pics:
old rubber:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/68A627F7-9043-431D-9AF0-4CDC1D9B0DE0-7308-000004D332E55311.jpg

left rear stock:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/656F6AAB-AB29-45BB-8C2F-CB41214DD49C-7308-000004D31C04853D.jpg

left front stock:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/81287612-4633-4F0D-8900-F93870177A84-7308-000004D3121977A3.jpg

right front:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/044992CF-C6AF-4496-A9A3-2A1686CA3A44-7308-000004D309D596B2.jpg

right rear:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/93324F95-3365-4335-9FB9-930097EF0642-7308-000004D2FEE5DCC4.jpg

side by side:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/1E4A221C-DE2E-4CD1-A655-E3B9A522A51A-7308-000004D2E9B88FB0.jpg

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http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/E0B59054-F5B1-43C7-AF1F-EF0E7F578E43-7308-000004D2D4E76D3C.jpg

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http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/shagghie/81F422B9-3AAC-4A2C-A032-BB2D0A67821B-7308-000004D2BBC53A48.jpg

redred
06-11-2013, 12:44 PM
That is a beastly look for that car!!!! Hope you don't have any rubbing issues, cause that looks fantastic!

Abarth Five O
06-11-2013, 01:04 PM
Nice job Shagghie! Good wheel/tire tread choice for street/track, love your tight drop, red lug caps, and side window deflectors!

shagghie
06-11-2013, 01:04 PM
That is a beastly look for that car!!!! Hope you don't have any rubbing issues, cause that looks fantastic!

I don't think I will, at least not in the rear. I mean... I am on the bumpstops all the time anyway, so those have prevented any rubbing successfully... kinda bittersweet, lol.
I've rolled the front fenders 5-6mm too, and took off the 10mm spacers, so I think I'll be good to go there, right about where I was with the hyperblacks and nero's on actually, but even tucked more. The Z2's are 10mm wider, and by removing the 10mm spacer, I should be about 5mm more tucked behind the fender than I was before.

SuperTony
06-11-2013, 01:47 PM
Looks great Shagghie. This will make a great improvement to your AutoX.

mr_robs
06-11-2013, 02:53 PM
The Z2s have a 200 treadwear rating. How long they last will depend on how you drive. If you don't really tax the tire, they'll last a reasonably long time. Autocross or otherwise wear them sideways and they'll last much less. I only have one autocross on them so far (12 runs, 2 drivers) but wear was pretty insignificant other than front shoulders (need more camber). They're not gonna last like a 400 TWR all-season but should last 10-15k miles at least with just street driving.

YMMV

Awesome! Thats exactly what i wanted to hear, thanks for the reply!


Thanks! Matches the MM CF rear diffusor and other accents, so was just 'sugar on top' that they came with them. I was going to get the Leggendas too, but for $100 off each wheel and in 4x98, and weighing even less, the Allegritas won me over for everything but the visual aspect. That said, they grew on me over night once I put them on the car...even though they are screaming BBK all the way to grandmother's house (and I don't even want or need a BBK, sigh).

For the rest of this season, I can only afford to own one set of rims for both my DD and AX, so the Z2's were a no brainer in that regard, and TBH, with only a year of steady AX under my best, they Z2's are almost 'too much' tire..but I've recently gotten the bug to WIN at all costs instead of just 'improve the driver', so the Z2's are where it's at. I drive spirited on the street, so I don't expect this pair to last more than 6-7k, given autocross events once/month. I AM going to be focusing on being much more smoooooth, especially now with more grip, I have no excuse but to drive proper.

Haha they totally do scream BBK, that was my first thought. Definitely fits very very well with your overall theme! Yeah im not looking to be swapping wheels/tires all year between autoX and whatnot so i think ill be going with the Z2's as well. They definitely have great praise from many of the members here. If i can get 12k out of mine with an autoX every other month ill be very happy. 17 inch tires are cheap anyways laugh2

shagghie
06-11-2013, 03:02 PM
Nice job Shagghie! Good wheel/tire tread choice for street/track, love your tight drop, red lug caps, and side window deflectors!

Thanks man! You know I honestly thought the allegrittas would make the wheels look smaller overall, but surprisingly, they actually look bigger, don't they? I know the beefier rubber has a lot to do with it, but seriously, to my eyes, they almost look like 18", aesthetically. I was expecting the opposite after seeing a lot of 16" red allegritas on cars in person.

Abarth Five O
06-11-2013, 03:40 PM
Thanks man! You know I honestly thought the allegrittas would make the wheels look smaller overall, but surprisingly, they actually look bigger, don't they? I know the beefier rubber has a lot to do with it, but seriously, to my eyes, they almost look like 18", aesthetically. I was expecting the opposite after seeing a lot of 16" red allegritas on cars in person.

I think the beefier rubbers make them look more like 18s. I'm at 215/45/17 and it sure does.

shagghie
06-11-2013, 03:51 PM
I think the beefier rubbers make them look more like 18s. I'm at 215/45/17 and it sure does.

Doh!

NGEN
06-11-2013, 04:52 PM
Looks nice Shagghie! We have these on our Grigio Sport - really gives an aggressive look to the car.

Gigante
06-11-2013, 06:49 PM
Looks great Shagghe, tear it up brother and have a great time with the added grip - looks fast just parked!beerchug

LittleEvil
06-11-2013, 10:46 PM
good stuff shaggie

Giuseppe
06-12-2013, 12:16 AM
So are you coming to the track or no?

shagghie
06-12-2013, 12:40 AM
So are you coming to the track or no?
I'm already registered for the autoX on the same day, and REALLLY want to see how I do against the BRZ/FRS gang this time.... I'll have more grip and more power on tap this time, so it will truly be a driver's challenge when you have no excuse but yourself. Once I get the cones down, I'll let her open up on the big tracks...but I have some unfinished business at Qualcomm first, and want to seat the improvements I've been making for awhile and commit them to muscle memory. Tis a quest!

jguerdat
06-12-2013, 07:03 AM
I don't think I will, at least not in the rear. I mean... I am on the bumpstops all the time anyway, so those have prevented any rubbing successfully... kinda bittersweet, lol.

If you're truly on the bumpstops, you're not going fast. The suspension is fully compressed and you essentially have no suspension at all - it's full hard, as if the struts were welded to the chassis. If this is true, you need to raise the car or use stiffer springs.

Ryephile
06-12-2013, 09:26 AM
If you're truly on the bumpstops, you're not going fast. The suspension is fully compressed and you essentially have no suspension at all - it's full hard, as if the struts were welded to the chassis. If this is true, you need to raise the car or use stiffer springs.

Yup, pretty much this. Infinite spring rates overwhelm any and every tire. You need enough "wheel rate" (basically springs + anti-roll bars) to support the car in the corners. Adding pre-load helps only if the spring rate is rational for the tire size, otherwise you'll end up with a jacked-up ride height and still on the 'stops in the corners.

shagghie
06-12-2013, 11:21 AM
Yup, pretty much this. Infinite spring rates overwhelm any and every tire. You need enough "wheel rate" (basically springs + anti-roll bars) to support the car in the corners. Adding pre-load helps only if the spring rate is rational for the tire size, otherwise you'll end up with a jacked-up ride height and still on the 'stops in the corners.

sorry, I mis-spoke, when I said "on the bumpstops all the time", i didn't mean resting on them. I just mean every time I hit a pot hole or bump in the road I hit them. I still have 3 active coils at rest. What I was getting at is that, even when I hit the bump stops, the rear tires don't rub. That said, I really wish I had stiffer springs in the rear with less coils or more active ones.

BTW, these Z2's at factory inflation specs (38F/32R) feel a little hard on the street. Thinking it's the beefier sidewalls. That said, anyone running the Z2's at lower PSI on the street?

EDIT: I'm also thinking the Rear-Seat Delete might help a little with the rear suspension challenge. Or maybe swapping in Neu-F springs, too. I dunno..I'm admittedly weak in this department in terms of raw experience and comprehension, and am all ears, and grateful.

jguerdat
06-12-2013, 03:03 PM
sorry, I mis-spoke, when I said "on the bumpstops all the time", i didn't mean resting on them. I just mean every time I hit a pot hole or bump in the road I hit them. I still have 3 active coils at rest. What I was getting at is that, even when I hit the bump stops, the rear tires don't rub. That said, I really wish I had stiffer springs in the rear with less coils or more active ones.

That's the point. You don't ever want to be on the bumpstops. Any time you are, you're no longer riding on a suspension. A VERY brief bumpstop hit may be okay in an extreme situation but you don't want to be riding on them. Also, be aware that the bumpstop itself is a very stiff spring when you first, hit it with very rapidly increasing spring rate as it compresses. In other words, it's very nonlinear. That's a Bad Thing.


BTW, these Z2's at factory inflation specs (38F/32R) feel a little hard on the street. Thinking it's the beefier sidewalls. That said, anyone running the Z2's at lower PSI on the street?

I'm using stock pressures for the street. I'll quickly give up comfort for handling.

shagghie
06-12-2013, 03:15 PM
That's the point. You don't ever want to be on the bumpstops. Any time you are, you're no longer riding on a suspension. A VERY brief bumpstop hit may be okay in an extreme situation but you don't want to be riding on them. Also, be aware that the bumpstop itself is a very stiff spring when you first, hit it with very rapidly increasing spring rate as it compresses. In other words, it's very nonlinear. That's a Bad Thing.
I'm using stock pressures for the street. I'll quickly give up comfort for handling.

On the auto-X, I don't hit them except for that one ^%(*(@*&# drainage ditch section when I bottomed out, rubbed and kinked a fender, lol. But on the street, it's been pretty bad. The new tires and lighter wheels have made a big improvement compared to the worn p-neros/abarth wheels, but yes: I must fix my rear end and I'm certain I'm nowhere near optimal suspension set up. Working on that now as we speak... TY for your input/knowledge share, as always.