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WegoFaster@Ambient Thermal Management
05-25-2013, 02:06 PM
1. There is a clear bias in this review.
a. Greg, conducting this review is the same person who produces the silicone for the Euro Compulsion intake. Hence his clear special interests and concentration of silicone quality.
i. Hi Performance Store manufacturer of the Euro Compulsion and Emperor intake http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?9935-The-Emperor-Air-Intake-from-Hi-Performance-Store
Address: 10763 Sahoma Lake Road
Sapulpa, OK 74066 http://www.hiperformancestore-fiat.com/#!contact-us/c11m6
ii. The location of Abarthspeed’s site is also located in OK
iii. Greg has emailed us from an Abarthspeed email address.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/GregsEmailfromAbarthSpeed_zps6f97314a.png (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/agennello/media/GregsEmailfromAbarthSpeed_zps6f97314a.png.html)
iv. Here is a post from FTY where he states that Greg owns Hi Performance Silicone:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/FTYAdmittingGregMakestheirSilicone_zpsefb10fac.png (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/agennello/media/FTYAdmittingGregMakestheirSilicone_zpsefb10fac.png .html)
b. As such; claiming to be an independent source, writing a “claimed” unbiased review of our product on a “claimed“ unbiased website aimed at defaming our product as a means to secure our market share is conspiracy to libel. As such it is a criminal and civil offence. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Conspiracy+to+libel
2. Works perfect the first time requiring no post changes.
a. Euro Compulsion had a full redesign.
3. Whistles are from the turbo and all other aftermarket intakes whistle.
4. Water on compressor blades damages it.
a. If this is the case, then why is there a whole industry built around pre-compressor water injection?
b. In extensive testing done by Volvo in the 1980’s on pre-turbo injection, they found that 80,000 to 100,000 miles of pre-turbo injection started to wear the compressor wheel. Once wear started to occur at this mileage, it was not as efficient and needed to be replaced. I don’t know if this is really that much of a “Con”, as most of us are lucky to get 80k-100k miles on our turbo’s. This is with water injection not minimal water ingestion from a wet filter even on the level of which you are claiming. Again; we nor any of our customers have seen the level of wetness which you are showing.
5. Residue in the silicone is not dirt.
a. What is being shown is residual from the silicone production process not dirt.
6. Air pressure in the cowl vs. under hood
a. PV=nRT Hotter air has a higher pressure.
b. Where was the Manometer Atmosphere sampled sourced from?
c. Engine compartment is hotter than cowl.
d. What were the temps at both locations during the testing?
e. Was the radiator fan on during the testing further pressurizing the engine compartment with hot low density air?
f. Personally I prefer denser lower pressure air than hotter high pressure air. Next time try a Mass Airflow Sensor if you really want to prove this point.
7. All intakes have pressure drop.
a. Pressure and velocity have an inverse relationship.
b. A lower pressure can mean there is a restriction upstream from a vacuum source.
c. Velocity is indicative of airflow. The higher the flow the lower the pressure as compared to ambient pressure.
d. So which is it? Again Mass airflow is a good answer to this question not pressure.
8. The use of AIT vs. independent temperature sensor readings within the intake system.
a. From our data logging we have determined that the AIT is highly susceptible to engine temperature influence. In fact we are building product to remedy this issue. As such utilizing the AIT as the only source of data logging is flawed.
b. The presence of the factory air intake plays a large role in both sound and AIT reading deviation. Was the factory Airbox present for these tests?
c. Stock = 82.4°F AIT with 59°F ambient @ 41.6mph 2450 revs and 6.5psi =23.4ΔT.
d. ATM= 93.2°F AIT with 59°F ambient @ 42.9mph 2512 revs and -3.8psi =34.2ΔT.
e. To truly prove a point one must show a data log and not a snapshot in time. Your word for these snapshot being under equal circumstances simply is not enough.
f. The Factory intake was under boost vs. the ATM under deceleration. This may also be the difference between a BPV being open and being closed. There is also no data of engine compartment temperatures as we pointed out the AIT sensor is highly susceptible to temperature deviation from engine compartment temperature. Obviously these two “snapshots” were not done under the same circumstances. This data is flawed and unusable. Try trending next time such as a line graph like we produced.
9. Dyno.
a. Where are the data logs for these dyno runs, so that we can compare what the operating conditions are? We produced them with our testing.
b. We datalogged all of our dyno runs, and in those data logs you can clearly see the boost pressure and ignition timing. The sport button was on for all of them.
c. A true show of power would be an acceleration test on the same stretch of road between the two configurations. While you are at it, be sure to show the engine data logs too.

TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management
05-25-2013, 02:12 PM
Don't bother trying to erase information guys we have screen captures of everything, we will also be subpoanaing all PMs and emails between EC-fidgell, Greg and all his entities and abarthspeed... Have a great memorial day weekend:usa1:


1. There is a clear bias in this review.
a. Greg, conducting this review is the same person who produces the silicone for the Euro Compulsion intake. Hence his clear special interests and concentration of silicone quality.
i. Hi Performance Store manufacturer of the Euro Compulsion and Emperor intake http://www.fiat500usaforum.com/showthread.php?9935-The-Emperor-Air-Intake-from-Hi-Performance-Store
Address: 10763 Sahoma Lake Road
Sapulpa, OK 74066 http://www.hiperformancestore-fiat.com/#!contact-us/c11m6
ii. The location of Abarthspeed’s site is also located in OK
iii. Greg has emailed us from an Abarthspeed email address.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/GregsEmailfromAbarthSpeed_zps6f97314a.png (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/agennello/media/GregsEmailfromAbarthSpeed_zps6f97314a.png.html)
iv. Here is a post from FTY where he states that Greg owns Hi Performance Silicone:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/FTYAdmittingGregMakestheirSilicone_zpsefb10fac.png (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/agennello/media/FTYAdmittingGregMakestheirSilicone_zpsefb10fac.png .html)
b. As such; claiming to be an independent source, writing a “claimed” unbiased review of our product on a “claimed“ unbiased website aimed at defaming our product as a means to secure our market share is conspiracy to libel. As such it is a criminal and civil offence. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Conspiracy+to+libel
2. Works perfect the first time requiring no post changes.
a. Euro Compulsion had a full redesign.
3. Whistles are from the turbo and all other aftermarket intakes whistle.
4. Water on compressor blades damages it.
a. If this is the case, then why is there a whole industry built around pre-compressor water injection?
b. In extensive testing done by Volvo in the 1980’s on pre-turbo injection, they found that 80,000 to 100,000 miles of pre-turbo injection started to wear the compressor wheel. Once wear started to occur at this mileage, it was not as efficient and needed to be replaced. I don’t know if this is really that much of a “Con”, as most of us are lucky to get 80k-100k miles on our turbo’s. This is with water injection not minimal water ingestion from a wet filter even on the level of which you are claiming. Again; we nor any of our customers have seen the level of wetness which you are showing.
5. Residue in the silicone is not dirt.
a. What is being shown is residual from the silicone production process not dirt.
6. Air pressure in the cowl vs. under hood
a. PV=nRT Hotter air has a higher pressure.
b. Where was the Manometer Atmosphere sampled sourced from?
c. Engine compartment is hotter than cowl.
d. What were the temps at both locations during the testing?
e. Was the radiator fan on during the testing further pressurizing the engine compartment with hot low density air?
f. Personally I prefer denser lower pressure air than hotter high pressure air. Next time try a Mass Airflow Sensor if you really want to prove this point.
7. All intakes have pressure drop.
a. Pressure and velocity have an inverse relationship.
b. A lower pressure can mean there is a restriction upstream from a vacuum source.
c. Velocity is indicative of airflow. The higher the flow the lower the pressure as compared to ambient pressure.
d. So which is it? Again Mass airflow is a good answer to this question not pressure.
8. The use of AIT vs. independent temperature sensor readings within the intake system.
a. From our data logging we have determined that the AIT is highly susceptible to engine temperature influence. In fact we are building product to remedy this issue. As such utilizing the AIT as the only source of data logging is flawed.
b. The presence of the factory air intake plays a large role in both sound and AIT reading deviation. Was the factory Airbox present for these tests?
c. Stock = 82.4°F AIT with 59°F ambient @ 41.6mph 2450 revs and 6.5psi =23.4ΔT.
d. ATM= 93.2°F AIT with 59°F ambient @ 42.9mph 2512 revs and -3.8psi =34.2ΔT.
e. To truly prove a point one must show a data log and not a snapshot in time. Your word for these snapshot being under equal circumstances simply is not enough.
f. The Factory intake was under boost vs. the ATM under deceleration. This may also be the difference between a BPV being open and being closed. There is also no data of engine compartment temperatures as we pointed out the AIT sensor is highly susceptible to temperature deviation from engine compartment temperature. Obviously these two “snapshots” were not done under the same circumstances. This data is flawed and unusable. Try trending next time such as a line graph like we produced.
9. Dyno.
a. Where are the data logs for these dyno runs, so that we can compare what the operating conditions are? We produced them with our testing.
b. We datalogged all of our dyno runs, and in those data logs you can clearly see the boost pressure and ignition timing. The sport button was on for all of them.
c. A true show of power would be an acceleration test on the same stretch of road between the two configurations. While you are at it, be sure to show the engine data logs too.

Guest
05-25-2013, 02:54 PM
Can I wear a nice hat in court? Not sure what I have done but I hope youre not bluffing as Im quite looking forward to the show....

WegoFaster@Ambient Thermal Management
05-25-2013, 10:40 PM
In before the close.....

ATM, might I suggest you communicate your legal threats to forum members privately? Duplicating a closed thread is not the proper avenue to discuss your complaints with both vendors and forum members. In addition, I can tell you that it will hurt your business model, this public attack on members.

In addition, bias has to be proved. You simply can't declare it occurred just because you were able to connect two dots while quoting from an online dictionary of legal terms.

This "my intake can beat up everyone else's effort" is getting beyond lame. I bought your competitor's intake, as have others. I love it...as do others. That doesn't make yours any less viable, though I did get a chuckle from your point number 2 regarding your own intake. I quote "Works perfect the first time requiring no post changes."
Interesting, noting all the efforts to change how loud it is. I mean, isn't that what "perfect" implies? No need for changes? Just sayin fellas. ;)

Finally, this is an enthusiasts forum, not the county courthouse and shame on you guys for requesting the private information of another vendor's customer. Not cool.

This is the second time we are under an attack originating from AbarthSpeed.com. We left well enough alone after the last time where our intake was defamed in the glaringly awesome review of the Euro Compulsion intake. Now this review comes along and I will expose all parties for the fraud they are.

AbarthSpeed claims to be an unbiased unaffiliated 3rd party site which provides useful reviews on Fiat products. They claim in the pretext to the review of our intake that there is no conspiracy.

AbarthSpeed Quote: "Before we go any further, let's make something clear. This site does not get any money from any vendors. The ads on this site are free. If there is a mistake in this or any other review it’s just an honest mistake and not a conspiracy. If you see an error, let us know and we will correct it. We spent our own funds, energy, and 3 weeks of our time performing extensive testing, verification, and more testing to make this the most detailed and accurate review possible."

However after some high level research anyone can see that AbarthSpeed domain is registered by Diana Payton Rozell, ;located at SouthTulsa, OK 74132 She is the wife of Toby Rozell who actually administers the site along with her brother Jordon Payton and Greg Gordon. They are also the Authors of these unbiased reviews. Jordon is the owner of the 220hp Abarth that is featured on AbarthSpeed's site. HiperformanceStore-Fiat.com sponsors this car as seen in this screenshot of the video.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l247/agennello/AbarthSpeedalliances_zps508497b3.png (http://s98.photobucket.com/user/agennello/media/AbarthSpeedalliances_zps508497b3.png.html)

I looked up the registration of hiperformancestore-fiat.com domain which is registered to Greg Gordon located at Sapulpa, OK 74066 17miles from the Rozells. Greg has his own line of Abarth intakes as well produces the Euro Compulsion intake. It is beyond declaration that Greg has a stake in the sales of EU's intake as well as his own.

The fact of the matter here is that they are a fraud, they are biased, and there is a conspiracy against us. We are the ones being attacked. We chose to leave well enough alone after the last time they made an effort against us, and they are the one who chose to attack again. Enough is enough and this behavior can not go without consequences.

Tweak
05-25-2013, 10:50 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight but I do know that the owner of the forum closed another thread with the same content as this so I feel it only makes sense that I close this one as that would be his wish, if he sees fit to open it so be it but for now I think if this is going to be a legal issue the public forum is not the place for it.

Since it would seem Chris wanted it closed before, this one is closed now.